THE WARS of GOG and MAGOG
by Alexander Zephyr.
In Criticism of the Great Scholar and Esteemed Ally of Brit-Am, Steven Collins.
- Reactions to Part One.
- Edward Anderson: Israelites to be Re-Gathered to Israel!
- Jim Wright:
Huge Difference between The Day of The LORD and the Gog/Magog Attempted Invasion!
Different Explanations as to the Identity of Gog.
THE LAND OF MAGOG.
'The Russian Theory'; The 'Caucasian Theory'; 'Hashemite Kingdom Theory'; The 'All Europe Theory';
THE 'DRY BONE' AND 'TWO STICKS' PROPHECIES.
WHEN WILL THE WARS OF GOG AND MAGOG BEGIN EXACTLY?
BEFORE THE REUNIFICATION AND COMING OF THE MESSIAH OR AFTER IT?
THE TARGET OF GOG'S ATTACK.
WHY WILL GOG ATTACK ISRAEL?
WAR AND STAGES OF REDEMPTION.
WARS of GOG
by Alexander Zephyr.
In Criticism of the Great Scholar and
Esteemed Ally of Brit-Am, Steven Collins.
One of the best experts on the Jewish-Israelite movement,
and particularly on the Gog and Magog wars of the prophet Ezekiel 38 and 39 is
the Christian theologian, Biblical Scholar, and esteemed author Steven M.
Mr. Collins provides excellent commentaries on a daily basis connecting the
geopolitical events of the World with prophecies concerning the Wars of Gog and Magog.
In his work, 'What Ezekiel 38-39 reveals about a future WWIII', the
author begins with the analysis of the three prophecies of Ezekiel 37, 38 and
39. Chapter 37, Steven Collins says, contains two separate prophecies, called
'Dry bones' and 'Two sticks', and the Chapters 38 and 39 consist of one prophecy
of a future War of Gog and Magog. All three prophecies have distinct
subject matters, different time-settings, and chronologically do not link
together with each other.
In his opinion, the 'Dry bones' prophecy of Ezekiel 37:1-14 concerns
the resurrection of the 'whole house of Israel' which will occur one thousand
years after the advent of Messiah.
Another distinct prophecy of the same Chapter 37:15-28, 'Two sticks'
prophecy, is a prediction of the complete and final reunification of all Tribes
of Jacob under leadership of a resurrected King David which is going to occur at
the beginning of the Messianic Age.
Concerning the third prophecy of Ezekiel 38 and 39, the War of Gog and
Magog, he came up with a very bold and well argumented theory, basically saying
that this war begins at the earlier stage of the redemption, 'in the latter
years', at the end of our current age, prior to the reunification of the whole
house of Jacob and advent of the Messiah, before the Messianic Age begins.
Steven Collins says:
# All three
prophecies are not chronologically sequential, they are in three different
'Biblical ages', and they are written in reverse time order:
war, reunification of 'Two sticks', and general mass resurrection of the 'Dry
bones' (with the interval of one thousand years). #
The geographical target of attach of the armies of Gog
will not be the Land of Israel, where the modern 'tiny' Jewish state presently
exists (Zephaniah 2:6-10), but rather the countries of the West Europe, USA,
Canada, Australia, New Zeeland and other territories, where the so called 'Lost
Ten Tribes of Israel' in exile are residing. S. Collins identifies Gog as a
chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, leader of Russia, and the 'land of Magog' as
the region of Asia which is within the modern territory of Southern Russia.
'Gomer and all his bands' become the most populous nation of China. 'Togarmah
of the north quarters and all his bands' he interprets as being a group of
people closely related to the Chinese ethnically and located to the north of
China's mainland: Mongolia, Siberia, Manchuria and North Korea. All of this is
in accordance with his statement that Japheth's descendants were found in the
Oriental regions of Asia. From what the Bible reveals, concluded S. Collins, it
will be an alliance of Russia, China and Iran along with other former Communist
or East-bloc nations and radical Islamic countries in South-Central Asia and
In his explanation as to why the target of Gog's attack will be the
countries of the West, North America, and NATO, rather than the Jewish state in
the Land of Israel, S. Collins pointed out that there is no recollection of
Judah in the prophecies of Ezekiel 38 and 39 as, for instance, in Zechariah 12
and 14. When God speaks of Judah, he means the Jewish nation, the modern
Israelis; and when God speaks of Israel, He means the Ten Tribes of Israel in
exile. Therefore, since Judah and Israel will not yet have been reunited and
will live separately in different parts of the World as distinct entities, and
the only the name of Israel is written in the prophecies of Ezekiel, it means
that the subject of Gog's attack will be the countries, where the Ten Tribes of
Israel live. The Prophecy is therefore primarily directed at the modern nations
of the tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh which are Great Britain and the USA.
Quite an interesting explanation is given by the author on the
matter of the 'Mountains of Israel' which in the Scriptures are positively
connected with the Land of Israel on multiple occasions.
God said to Gog:
days you shall be visited: in the latter years you shall come into the land that
is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the
mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out
of the nations, and they shall dwell safely, all of them.' (Ezekiel 38:8).
In the opinion of S. Collins, the 'Mountains of Israel' can not possibly be
the Israeli nation for two reasons: (1) they are not high enough to be true
mountains and (2) they have most assuredly not been 'always waste.' But if one
flies over the Rocky Mountains of North America, it could be seen how high they
are and there is no sign of human habitation over much of their expanse. So, the
'Mountains of Israel' in Ezekiel prophecies describe 'North America, not
the Israeli nation.'
The nation which is 'brought back from the sword, and is gathered out
of many people', continues the author, is the United States of America, 'the
melting pot' nation.
How does he explain away such a descriptions of Israel's condition as
'they shall dwell safely, all of them' (Verse 8); or 'dwelling without the walls
and having neither bars nor gates' (Verse 11)?
Well, he said, after winning the Cold War, Western nations of the
house of Israel implemented the rapid disarmament which dramatically reduced
military forces and their capabilities. 'By accident or design, the East Bloc
nations have, by 'loosing' the Cold War, succeeded in weakening the West's
defense of its own homelands.' It certainly does not make one to believe that
'Israel will dwell safely, all of them'!
And what about the Arab countries? Will they take part in Gog's
alliance against Israel? Mr. Collins thinks that there are two
Since Ezekiel 38:2-6 states clearly that the attacking evil
alliance of Gog and Magog will include 'bands' and 'many people' who are not
named, it allows the possibility that the Arab nations will be allied with
Russia, China and Iran.
The second possibility, is that the Arabs are the descendants
of Abraham, of the same Semitic stock as the Israelites; they 'have a great deal
of oil wealth and are closely link to America, Great Britain and the Western
nations via economical and commercial ties' and through the democratic values
planted by America and the West in countries like Iraq, Kuwait, Lebanon, etc.;
plus 'the fact that Iran (Persia, historical enemy of the Arabs) is allied to
Russia, can also be a reason why the Arabs would NOT be part of the
Another participant in Gog's bloody attack against the nations of
Israel is Esau, son of Isaac, the oldest brother of Jacob, whom the Bible named
Edom. S. Collins believes that the descendants of Esau through his oldest son
Teman (Genesis 36:34) become the Ottoman Empire, the modern day Republic of
Turkey, because 'the consonants of Teman and Ottoman are identical.' Turkey is a
member of NATO and, as such, is allied to the West and Europe.
'However, there is one branch of Edomites family called Amalekites,
which historically is intensely hostile to Israel; they likely will be allied
with the armies of Gog and Magog at the end of this age.'
Mr. Collins concluded that, since from Abraham are descended the
Semitic and Caucasian nations, and the prophecy of Ezekiel 38 and 39 does not
mentione a single Semitic nation in the attacking alliance of Gog's
armies, 'it allows the possibility (another one'!) that all modern nations,
descended from Abraham, will be on the same side' with Israel.
This, in short, is the theory of S. Collins theory concerning the War
of Gog and Magog war as described in Ezekiel 38 and 39.
Do we agree with his ideas?
Regarding some aspects of his thoughts, Yes; but for key points of
his theory, we do not.
TO BE CONTINUED!
See Part Two.
Reactions to Part One:
to be Re-Gathered to Israel!
Dear Yair, In regards to Mr. Collins "teachings" on the coming "Gog-Magog War"
I would like to add some insights of my own that I've discovered studying this
subject a few years ago. First of all, the area equated with Gog and Magog has
been identified as belonging to Turkey and it's related peoples, not Russia.
Walid Shoebat gives an excellent expose on this in his great work "God's War On
Terror" that I recommend everyone read.
The Russians are related to the Slovakians, and Polish people, AKA Slavs i.e.
slaves. They were deposited there by the Vikings when the coasts of Britain,
Ireland, Scotland, Spain, and most of Europe were invaded by them and captured
people, mostly blonde, redheads, and brunette women and were sold to the Tartars
as slaves. These were the Oriental masters of Russia for over two hundred years
until there was enough Slavic people able to throw off their slavery to the
Mongols. If one would properly compare this war with Gog in Ezekiel 38 and 39
to the other prophecies that state that at the return of Messiah, "ALL"
nations are to be gathered against Jerusalem to battle, not the few listed in
Ezekiel 38 & 39. THIS "key" seems to be overlooked by most prophecy "experts"!!!
ONLY those tribes/bands of people from the Turkey area and northern Africa are
listed as coming against Israel in Ezekel's vision, not "ALL nations."
Egypt is not mentioned, Saudi Arabia is not mentioned, Jordan is not mentioned,
in fact, you'll noticed most of the descendants of Ishmael are not listed in
this war. The reason I believe is because this war in Ezekiel occurs at the END
of the Messianic Age.
Is. 19 is clearly a Messianic vision as Egypt comes to worship [The ALMIGHTY] at
the beginning of the Messianic age. That is WHY these people in Israel are at
rest and have neither bars nor gates to protect them because they have been
protected by the power of Messiah as per Zechariah's prophecies and the many
other Prophets that mention a Messianic Age in Scripture. The 2 houses of
Israel are to be brought back together at the BEGINNING of the Messianic Age,
with David and the Saints resurrected and ruling over the Kingdom of Israel as
per Daniel's prophecies. The "mountains of Israel" ARE located IN Israel
Proper because that is where Messiah and the regathered Tribes are located.
Ezekiel Ch. 20 makes it very clear that the Tribes are NOT going to stay in
their present locations around the world where they have been scattered. That is
another section of prophecy that the "experts" refuse to look at. The tribes are
to be regathered BACK to Israel and it is Israel that has suffered devastation
time and time again. Even the famous American journalist, Mark Twain, went
there and marvelled how forsaken and desolate Israel was even in the late 1800's
when he visited the area. The temple is to be rebuilt, the wealth of the nations
are to flow to Jerusalem, and the land is to become like the Garden of Eden. So
there WILL be a lot of "spoil" for these heathen people to want to invade the
land of Israel. ...Ezekiel 38 & 39 have to do with Israel, the land of Israel,
and the time shortly AFTER the Messianic age.
Huge Difference between The
Day of The LORD and the Gog/Magog
Hi Yair -
I strongly disagree that the prophecies in Ezekiel are not in chronological
order - at least until chapter 40 they are in order.
Starting in chapter 30 there is "The Day of The LORD" - this is what we are on
the brink of:
2. Son of man, prophesy and say, Thus
the Lord God; Howl ye, Woe worth the day!
3. For the day is near, even the day of the Lord is near, a cloudy day; it
shall be the time of the heathen.
The invasion and defeat of Judah during The Day of The LORD is shown in the Book
When Judah and Israel fall to the assault of the heathen nations as punishment
for not serving The LORD correctly and making treaties with with the heathens.
Israel falls first then Judah cannot stand alone:
3. I know Ephraim, and Israel is not hid from me: for now, O Ephraim, thou
whoredom, and Israel is defiled.
4. They will not frame their doings to turn unto their God: for the spirit of
is in the midst of them, and they have not known the Lord.
5. And the pride of Israel doth testify to his face: therefore shall Israel
and Ephraim fall in their iniquity: Judah also shall fall with them.
And then there is the punishment The LORD deals out to the nations which have
attacked Israel and Judah in Ezekiel chapters 30 - 33.
Then there is the denunciation of the false Prophets of Israel (not Judah) in
Ezekiel chapter 34.
In Ezekiel chapter 35 The LORD denounces the primary enemy of Israel and Judah -
Then The LORD returns and the first resurrection takes place.
In Ezekiel chapters 36 + 37 is the second resurrection and the rejoining of
Israel and Judah.
Then at the end of the 1000 year rule of [the ALMIGHTY] over the Earth is the
Gog Magog invasion, unlike during The Day of The LORD, Gog and Magog are totally
defeated by The LORD and they do no harm to reunited Israel.
Starting in Ezekiel chapter 40 things do backtrack and we are given details of
The LORD rule during the 1000 years - all the way to the end of Ezekiel in
There is only one Gog / Magog attempted invasion, and they do no harm.
The same cannot be said of the heathen nations which attack during The Time of
Jacob's Trouble - right before The Day of The LORD - they succeed in destroying
Israel and Judah.
There is a huge difference between The Day of The LORD and the Gog/Magog
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