Movement of the Lost Ten Tribes
Brit-Am Now no. 1447
The Lost Ten Tribes of Israel Movement
20 January 2010, 5 Shevet 5770
1. George Forrester: Maryland USA and the Valley of Achor
2. Ron Fraser: Brit-Am is Appreciated
3. Message and Questions from New York
4. The Great Tartan Disputation Continued
TG Makes a Come-Back! Rounds Four and Five
5. Models of Phoenician Boats found in the British Isles
1. George Forrester: Maryland USA and
the Valley of Achor
[Hosea 2:3] LEST I STRIP HER NAKED, AND SET HER AS IN THE DAY THAT SHE WAS BORN,
AND MAKE HER AS A WILDERNESS, AND SET HER LIKE A DRY LAND, AND SLAY HER WITH
Baal is the Phoenician / Spanish god which was forbidden to Celtic /Galatians
Hebrews. When the Irish branch of the Celtic family looked to Spain /Baal for
support they were devastated by war and famine and they were sold as servants
throughout the British Empire. They were not left without hope as the following
Hosea 2:15] AND I WILL GIVE HER HER VINEYARDS FROM THENCE, AND THE VALLEY OF
ACHOR FOR A DOOR OF HOPE: AND SHE SHALL SING THERE, AS IN THE DAYS OF HER YOUTH,
AND AS IN THE DAY WHEN SHE CAME UP OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT
The Valley of Achor in the New World was the state of Maryland [Chasepeake
Bay]. the only state in colonial America created as refuge for Scot- Irish
2. Ron Fraser: Brit-Am is Appreciated
The Great Tartan Disputation
Hailing from a paternal line of highland Scots, I have followed the debate on
"The Great Tartan Disputation" with interest.
Your usual scholarly approach to the subject deserves commendation.
Your books remain a sound source of well researched, biblically based history of
value to any person interested not only in the nations of Israel's past but also
their prophesied future.
Your efforts are appreciated.
3. Message and Questions from New York
I hope all is well with you and in the land.
I'm a very secular yehudi living in the states - NY.
And do believe in the 13 principles of faith.
I have come up to the part in kings when the 10 tribes go forth to assyria.
I have an art scroll tanach and my lashon hakodesh [the Holy Tongue i.e.
Hebrew] is very weak.
I looked on line and there is an argument in the gemara [Talmud].
if they will come back to the land these 10.
I would like to know in a nutshell about these two options in the gemara
are they arguing with each other or it just depends
and/or both are right or just one is. Maybe there is a link to brit am since
your site is so vast.
You have gone beyond the call of duty on the Brit-Am Website,
very in depth and very broad covering.
Perhaps maybe you could get on tv in the states
or go on a speaking tour paid by people wanting to hear
I wish you very much success hatzlucha [Success] in your book sales
and in life.
Kol Tov [All the best]
Concerning whether or not there is a Talmudic opinion that the Lost Tribes will
According to Rashi there is no real controversy.
Everyone agrees that in the future the Lost Ten Tribes will return.
Brit-Am Now no. 1337: The Lost Tribes of
# 3. Is it not true that Rabbi
Akiva said the Ten Tribes will
# the opinion of Rabbi Akiva
are worth noting: (a) His opinion was rejected by the majority of the Sages who
[Lawful enactment see Tosefta]
the Ten Tribes will return".
(b) According to the great commentator
even Rabbi Akiva
was referring only to the Ten Tribes in his own generation (who would not
return) and not to those in the future.
in effect says that Rabbi Akiva
also agrees that in the future the Ten Tribes will come back. #
Brit-Am Now no. 1178
#1. Jerusalem Post Backs Ten Lost Tribes Search in India
(Rejects Brit-Am Explanations)
(1) Inaccuracies in the JP Article
(a) Rabbi Akiva
and the Return of the Ten Tribes
# It is a common assumption that
Akiba believed that the Ten
Tribes would not return".
If however one looks at Rashi
in Commentary on the very same page where this opinion is given (Sanhedrin 110b)
and at other Commentators it becomes clear that Rabbi
was not referring to the Ten Tribes in the future but rather to those in the
past who had gone into Assyrian Exile (and not their descendants) or to those in
his own time. Rabbi Akiba
WAS NOT referring to descendants of the Lost Ten Tribes in the Latter Times.
So that is it.
Rabbi Akiva did not (according to Rashi) think the Lost Tribes will not return
in the future only that in his time they were not liable to do so.
If the opinion of Rashi is ignored and if Rabbi Akiva really did think that the
Lost Ten Tribes will not return then he was overruled by the other Rabbis.
Lost Ten Tribes will return. That is the official majority opinion of the Sages
in the Talmud.
It is also what the Prophets said e.g. Ezekiel 37, Isaiah 11, etc.
The Abarbanel (in his book "Mashmia Yishua") considers Belief in the Return of
the Lost Ten Tribes as equivalent to belief in the Bible.
If one disbelieves the Bible then one denies a Fundamental Principle of the
4. The Great Tartan Disputation
TG Makes a Come-Back!
Rounds Four and Five
5. Models of Phoenician Boats found in
the British Isles
The Phoenicians in West Europe: From
Canaan to Cornwall & (?) Cork
by Harry Bourne
The Atlanto/Celtic connection seems reinforced by the fact that it seems the
combination of the Mediterano/Atlantic features are also shared with the ships
of the Celtic or Gaulish tribe of that part of Gaul (= most of modern France)
that was Armorica/is Brittany called the Veneti.
These were the Venetic ponti that represent the high point of Celtic
ship-building and were admired by no less than Julius Caesar (1 st c. B. C.
Roman) as being superbly adapted for Atlantic conditions. If this is correct,
clearly Phoenico/Punic shipbuilding was more influential than might be supposed.
The Atlantic linkage continues with the saviero/xavega only rarely having sails
and this is so for most of the Celto/Irish currach; both the saviero/xavego and
the currach had oars retained on thole -pins not rowlocks and the saviero in
Johnstone's Plate 8:8 plus the currach depicted on a slab at Bantry Bay (west
Cork in s/west Ire.) are adorned with crosses at one end.
There are three other other vessels from find-spots in the British Isles that
may just belong here. They are the boat-(?) bowl found at Caregwle (north
Wales), the so-called "Monk's Boat" form Lough Lene (Westmeath, Ireland), the
gold model of a boat from Broighter (Derry/Londonderry, Ireland).
The bowl or model of a boat/ship from Caergwle was for a very long time
described as a bowl made from wood that was generally accepted as being oak,
covered in gold leaf and repeating the dimensions of a currach. Recent studies
have led to somewhat different conclusions. They have shown that under the
gold-leaf covering is not an object of oak or any other kind of wood but shale.
Also differing from past conclusions is Christopher Hawkes (cited by Johnstone
Hawkes (ib.) argued that the shape is not that of a currach but that of a
Phoenician tub-shaped golah. If accepted, the attested Phoenic/Punic presence on
the coasts of Portugal plus a possible analogy from north Wales in west Britain
would closely parallel the 10 Greek ships proven by anchor-shanks from Setubal
Bay (Portugal) and echoed by another again in north Wales but this time at Porth
Felen. The Caergwle boat is of the Bronze Age but the anchor-stocks are said by
Eric Boon (Antiquaries Journal 1975) to be of Iron Age date.
Another possible is the Broighter vessel according to Paul Ashbee (The Bronze
Age Barrows of Britain 1960). The gold of the vessel has been attributed to gold
from India, Ireland and Germany on various grounds. Now that the analysts of
prehistoric gold at Stuttgart (Germany) have identified that the gold of the
equally famous torc, boat model plus the other objects at Broighter are probably
of Group-PC which is of German origin, we can now be reasonably certain of the
date for the Broighter hoard. PC-group gold usually has an Iron Age date in
Ireland and with the Broighter torc plus the boat-model being of gold from the
same source and the torc being of the Iron Age, this self-evidently proves the
boat is also of the same date.
Much the same argument about whether a wooden vessel or a currach is represented
at Broighter as was seen to pertain to the Caergwle object. With it having been
said that there are opinions regarding as likely that Venetic ships were known
in the British Isles, John de Courcy Ireland (Ireland & the Irish in Maritime
History 1986) would add to this by seeing the Broighter boat as a model of a
Venetic ship. It is usually regarded as having the dimensions of a currach but
if de Courcy Ireland could be proved to be correct and given possible Phoenico/Punic
influences on the ancestral Venetic form, there might be the linkage sought by
Ashbee (ib.) but at rather more remove in time than he thought was the case.
The boat from Lough Lene may just belong here. The boat has been variously
placed in the in the Irish Iron Age, a date equivalent to the Roman period in
Britain or the Medieval period (hence the epithet of Monk's Boat). The earliest
possible interpretation of the C14-date with calibration may just lift it into
an era possibly relevant for us here. If so, the fact of Mediterranean traits
seen above as of probable Phoenico/Punic origin included use of mortice and
tenon joints, those of the Lough Lene boat may just belong here too.
The direct Mediterrano/southern linkage is presumably strengthened by the find
of a skull of Barbary ape (the type well known to us in Britain via those at
Gibraltar) at Emain Macha (close to Armagh) as part of an apparent ritual
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