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The Brit-Am
Movement of the Lost Ten Tribes
Brit-Am Now no. 1429
The Lost Ten Tribes of Israel Movement
17 December 2009, 30 Kislev 5770
Contents:
1. Fal:
Enjoyed Weekly Portion.
2. Live and Learn. Edgar says, The twelve sons of Jacob... were all black
people!
3. Not Enough Talmudic-Rabbinical Sources? Communication no. One
4. Not Enough Talmudic References? Communication
no.Two
5. Brit-Am, British Christian Zionism, and John Nelson Darby no.1
6. Brit-Am, British Christian Zionism, and John Nelson Darby no.2
7. Proverbs 16 (New King James Version)
1.
Fal:
Enjoyed Weekly Portion
Re: Weekly Potion: "MiKaetz"
http://britam.org/Genesis/Gen41to44Mikaet.html
Thanx for this communication. I have enjoyed reading it and will give it a
greater degree of thought. Shalom, J.
2. Live and Learn. Edgar says, The
twelve sons of Jacob... were all black people!
From: Tucville2002
The twelve sons of Jacob (Israel) mpbh, along with their sister Dinah were all
black people and they are referred to as Israelites. However, the Jews are
Caucasians from the eleven sons of Canaan who was the son of Ham, and they are
known as Jebusites, white people. They are not Israelites. Almighty God
instructed the Prophet Moses, mpbh, to also give the Torah to the Jews,(
Jebusites) which was first given to the Prophet Moses, mpbh, for the Israelite
people, black people. The main reason why black people today are lost and
disrespected is because they stop worshipping and serving Almighty God only, and
instead they mix and associate Almighty God with partners resulting in their
torment and desolation. Edgar M Leonard Sr.
3. Not Enough Talmudic-Rabbinical
Sources? Communication no. One
G [anonymous by request] wrote:
Shalom and hag someyakh [Happy Feastday, i.e. Chanuljah] Yair,
Thank you for putting me on the mailing list.
Please allow me to ask you a question.
In your various publications you overwhelmingly cite Tanakh [Scripture].
Have you considered the possibility that the location of the "lost tribes" was
also something considered by the Ha"zal [Rabbinicial Sages]? There is nothing
on your website, and I don't recollect seeing anything in The Tribes book that
I own which suggests this possibility.
Kol tov
Tzvi-Gad
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Brit-Am Reply:
I think you may have overlooked some of our notices.
In "The Tribes" we refer to the Sages and their opinion a few times.
In our book "Ephraim" we go into what the Sages said at some depth.
On our web-site there are quite a few articles quoting Rabbinical Sources.
See especially:
Characteristics of the Tribes According
to Rabbinical Sources (4 articles)
http://www.britam.org/rabbistribes.html
Ten Lost Tribes and Biblical Philosophy
http://www.britam.org/ContentsSubject.html#Ten
Kook, Rabbi
Avraham
Isaac: The Yearning of Ephraim For Redemption
The Divine Purpose for the Exile and Division of the Tribes
See also our Biblical Commentaries to the Bible Books e.g. Obadiah and Ezekiel
37.
Our articles on Messiah son of Joseph.
Nachmanides on the Truth of the Exile.
In effect much of what we publish is heavily permeated by Rabbinical Opinion.
If anything we may even have been overdoing it.
4. Not Enough Talmudic References?
Communication no.Two
G [anonymous by request] wrote [Hebrew expressions explained by Brit-Am in square brackets []
]:
Hodesh tov v'hag someyach Yair,
It seems to me you misunderstood me.
Ha"zal means hakhamenu zikhronam li-verakhah [i.e. Our Wise men may their
memory be blessed], i.e. the hahamim [wise men i.e. Sages] of the Talmud. I
don't have The Tribes to hand right now, and do not own Ephraim, but there is
a dearth of support for what you say on your site from the Talmudic (or
Midrashic) sources.
Although your site is quite poorly organised, and therefore difficult to
navigate, I did look and found only one reference to Talmud on the pages you
suggested, but how it offered support other than its use as a footnote is
unlcear.
It is my premise that the Ha"zal were just as concerned with the kibbutz
galuyot [Ingathering of the Exiles], so much so that it is the 10th berakha
[blessing] in the Shemoneh Esre [Eighteen Blessings included in the Prayer
said by religious Jews three times a day] which is obligatory tefillah
[prayer] on men and women until the restoration of the Temple. One would think
that there would be a considerable amount of discussion on the subject, and
that you would use it to substantiate your hypothesis of Europeans = 'lost
tribes'. However, as I said earlier, this is not evidenced.
If you would not mind providing specific examples of where you do link support
from Ha"zal [the Sages] for your various proposals, I would like to be able to
evaluate them myself. There is no hurry, so if you choose to forward them, I'm
happy to wait.
Shalom u'vraha [Shalom and Blessing]
Tzvi-Gad
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Brit-Am Reply:
Shalom,
Our site may well be poorly organized. If you or any one else have any
suggestions as to how it may be improved we would be happy to consider them.
We have two search engines dedicated to our site that are displayed prominently
and both of which are highly effective.
http://www.britam.org/ContentsSubject.html
We have a listing of most of our ca. 1000 articles in alphabetical order
http://www.britam.org/site-map.html
and another listing according to Subject Headings.
http://www.britam.org/ContentsSubject.html
Brit-Am Evidence relies on Biblical Evidence strongly supplemented by Secular
Fields of study in history and related fields.
http://www.britam.org/Proof/ProofsIntro.html
Our Biblical Studies concentrate on the plain straightforward meaning of the
Hebrew Verses as we understand them. Our understandings are usually CONFIRMED by
Classicial Rabbinicial Commentaries such as Targum Yehonatan, Rashi, Radak,
Nachmanides, Iben Ezra, Malbim, S.R. Hirsch, etc.
On specific points we have translated, analyzed, and commented upon the opinions
of Sages such as S.R. Hirsch, Nachmanides, Rabbi Kook, and others.
We also refer to Talmudic opinion and Midrashim but not to a great deal since
there is not that much available.
The 10th berakha [blessing] in the Shemoneh Esreh speaks of the Ingathering of
the Exiles. A later commentary [Etz Chayim? - may have seen it once but
unfortunately have forgotten the source and did not make a note at the time]
says that part of this blessing refers to the Ten Tribes. As far as I know the
Talmud however does not make such an explicit statement though it may well have
been part of their intention.
The emphasis throughout the Talmud is on practical matters on a day-to-day
basis. Very little space is given to prophecy, the Messianic Age, or the World
to Come. The Ten Tribers are seldom mentioned. Judaism in general stresses the
here and now and what one must do in this world to fulfill the duty that each
person has.
In the past I learnt the sources in various programs and on my own. This
learning helped greatly in my research and in other ways.
In addition to all this, I have been participating in a Daf Yomi [Page of Talmud
a Day] program for more than ten years and otherwise have been learning beyond
that. I have therefore heard and read (albeit on a very superficial level) the
Talmud right the way through at least once and many sections of it more than
once. This learning has been mostly at beginners level but some of it has been
relatively thorough. I AM NOT AN EXPERT AND NEVER CLAIMED TO BE! I do however
have some acquaintanceship with the subject matter.
The Talmud says that the Lost Ten Tribes were exiled. It also says emphatically
that they will return. It does not say where they are. It does say that they
were exiled to beyond the River Sambation and to other areas. We have at least
42 entries on the Sambation alone.
The Talmud mentions as places of Exile, Daphenh of Antiochia, the Mountains of
Darkness, the Mountains of Snow, and Afrikey. We have entries on all of these.
Another point that has just come to light (in our very own Brit-Am Now pages!)
is that the Sages linked the Lost Ten Tribes with the Children of Rechab and
these were considered to be in the Islands of Britain and Ireland!
http://www.britam.org/now2/1411Now.html#Rechabites
http://www.britam.org/now2/1412Now.html#In
Aed
and Israel
http://www.britam.org/aed.html
The Lost Tribes in Celtic and Arabic Lore
There is a Midrash concerning the physical appearance of Joseph which is also
pertinent.
In other words Brit-Am has an impressive body of evidence built on the Hebrew
Bible consistent with Midrashim and Talmudic references along with the
Commentaries of Rabbinicial Authorities and their opinions in addition to much
secular evidence.
It is not our task to prove the cases based ONLY on Talmudic opinions but
rather, if anything, merely to be consistent with them. If you believe that
Brit-Am beliefs are not consistent with Talmudic opinion then you are the one
who needs to bring evidence.
Despite the above, we may well shortly
prepare an article summarizing all the Talmudic,
Midrashic,
and related evidence that does exist.
5. Brit-Am, British Christian Zionism,
and John Nelson Darby no.1
Jerry Klinger wrote:
While looking over your site and in particular the references to
British Christian Zionism I noted that you did not reference the influence of
John Nelson Darby. Can you tell me why you felt he was not important to your
history of Christian Zionism?
Thanks.
http://www.britam.org/magazine/Brit-AmTruth8.html
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Brit-Am Reply:
British Christian Zionism was admittedly an important movement in
its own right and tells us much about Ephraim in general.
We have a whole book on our site dedicated in part to this subject:
Franz
Kobler,
"The Vision Was There", London, 1956.
http://www.britam.org/vision/koblercontents.html
This book is well written and well researched.
Originally published by the the World Jewish Congress it is now out of print.
For many it may well be that the Brit-Am site is the only venue from which this
work may be obtained and it is available for free!
We therefore cannot be suspected of trying to avoid the issue.
On the other hand I personally do not know that much about it.
It involves aspects of Christian Theology and therefore should be dealt with by
those to whom these issues mean something.
As for John Nelson Darby I never heard of him or if I did never paid him
sufficient attention.
A glance at the Wikipedia article about him shows that he had an influence on
the Plymouth Brethren Movement.
My grandmother (mother of my father) came from a family that belonged to this
movement so maybe they once knew him?
See:
Brit-Am History
http://www.britam.org/BAhistory.html
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Wikipedia Article Extracts
John Nelson Darby
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Nelson_Darby
Wikipedia
Extracts:
# John Nelson Darby (18 November 1800 ? 29 April 1882) was an Anglo-Irish
evangelist, and an influential figure among the original Plymouth Brethren. He
is considered to be the father of modern
Dispensationalism.
He produced a translation of the Bible based on the Hebrew and Greek texts
called The Holy Scriptures: A New Translation from the Original Languages by J.
N. Darby.
# Darby is noted in the theological world as the father of "dispensationalism,"
later made popular in the United States by Cyrus
Scofield's
Scofield
Reference Bible. Charles Henry Mackintosh, 1820-1896, with his popular style
spread Darby's teachings to humbler elements in society and may be regarded as
the journalist of the Brethren Movement.
CHM
popularised
Darby more than any other Brethren author. Darby is sometimes credited with
originating, the "secret rapture" theory ... Dispensationalist beliefs about the
fate of the Jews and the re-establishment of the Kingdom of Israel put
dispensationalists at the forefront of Christian Zionism, because "God is able
to graft them in again," and they believe that in His grace he will do so
according to their understanding of Old Testament prophecy. They believe that,
while the ways of God may change, His purposes to bless Israel will never be
forgotten, just as He has shown unmerited
favour
to the Church, He will do so to a remnant of Israel to fulfill all the promises
made to the genetic seed of Abraham.
6. Brit-Am, British Christian Zionism,
and John Nelson Darby no.2
Jerry Klinger wrote:
Thank you for your very kind response and thank you for providing
the link to the Kobler book. I have read it.
I have been doing extensive research about Christian Zionism and recognize
much of the material in the Kobler book already. However, as you noted, John
Nelson Darby is not mentioned. That is a serious omission. Darby is largely
responsible for the development of Dispensationalist Protestantism and the
rejection of Replacement Theology. Essentially it is the Protestant negation
of Catholic theology that the Jews are accursed of God and that the Church has
replaced the Jews as the chosen of God. Many believe that replacement
theology was and is and remains the basis of anti-Semitic theology today.
Darby was very influential in the British/American development of
proto-Zionism and the reason for much of fundamentalist support for Israel
today. Kobler's not addressing Darby is a major, strange, failure of the
book.
...Using information, such as Kobler references as you know, raises the
hackles on contemporary historical writing - not politically correct.
Thank you again.
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Brit-Am Reply:
Kobler prepared much of his work during WW2 and polished it over in the period
following. He wrote it at first in his native German and then translated it
himself (?) into English. He hoped that the book would influence the British to
reconsider their opposition to Zionism. He believed that Restorationism (i.e.
Gentile British Christian support for Zionism) was an integral aspect of the
British National soul. The book therefore concentrates on the British scene. At
that time American involvement with Israel was not as predominant as it later
became. American Evangelistic and Fundamentalist support for Zionism had not yet
reached the heights it has now achieved.
John Nelson Darby is today considered important mainly because retroactively the
influence his work had on the American scene may be better appreciated.
Kobler was not in a position to know this.
This may explain why Kobler does not relate to Darby as we now see he should
have done.
Biographical Note
http://findingaids.cjh.org/?pID=121536
Extracts:
Franz Kobler
was born in Mlada
Boleslav
in Bohemia, in the then Austro-Hungarian Empire (now Czech Republic) on December
18, 1882.
He was the son of Josef Kobler,
a Jewish farmer and businessman, and
Katherina
Baer.
In March 1938, following the
Anschluss of Austria by Nazi
Germany, Franz Kobler
and his son were arrested. Franz
Kobler was released three months
later. Along with his wife,
Kobler fled to Zurich before
emigrating to London. They remained there until 1947, when Franz and Dora
Kobler
joined their son in San Francisco.
It was during Franz Kobler's
stay in England that he began his research into the British movement for the
restoration of Israel to the Jews. The result of this research was his book The
Vision Was There, published in 1956. ...After the death of Dora
Kobler
in 1960, Franz Kobler
moved to Berkeley, California. It was there that he worked on Napoleon and the
Jews. He remained in Berkeley until his own death in 1965.
7. Proverbs 16 (New King James Version)
1 The preparations of the heart belong to man,
But the answer of the tongue is from the LORD.
2 All the ways of a man are pure in his own eyes,
But the LORD weighs the spirits.
3 Commit your works to the LORD,
And your thoughts will be established.
4 The LORD has made all for Himself,
Yes, even the wicked for the day of doom.
5 Everyone proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD;
Though they join forces,[a] none will go unpunished.
6 In mercy and truth
Atonement is provided for iniquity;
And by the fear of the LORD one departs from evil.
7 When a man's ways please the LORD,
He makes even his enemies to be at peace with him.
8 Better is a little with righteousness,
Than vast revenues without justice.
9 A man's heart plans his way,
But the LORD directs his steps.
10 Divination is on the lips of the king;
His mouth must not transgress in judgment.
11 Honest weights and scales are the LORD's;
All the weights in the bag are His work.
12 It is an abomination for kings to commit wickedness,
For a throne is established by righteousness.
13 Righteous lips are the delight of kings,
And they love him who speaks what is right.
14 As messengers of death is the king's wrath,
But a wise man will appease it.
15 In the light of the king's face is life,
And his favor is like a cloud of the latter rain.
16 How much better to get wisdom than gold!
And to get understanding is to be chosen rather than silver.
17 The highway of the upright is to depart from evil;
He who keeps his way preserves his soul.
18 Pride goes before destruction,
And a haughty spirit before a fall.
19 Better to be of a humble spirit with the lowly,
Than to divide the spoil with the proud.
20 He who heeds the word wisely will find good,
And whoever trusts in the LORD, happy is he.
21 The wise in heart will be called prudent,
And sweetness of the lips increases learning.
22 Understanding is a wellspring of life to him who has it.
But the correction of fools is folly.
23 The heart of the wise teaches his mouth,
And adds learning to his lips.
24 Pleasant words are like a honeycomb,
Sweetness to the soul and health to the bones.
25 There is a way that seems right to a man,
But its end is the way of death.
26 The person who labors, labors for himself,
For his hungry mouth drives him on.
27 An ungodly man digs up evil,
And it is on his lips like a burning fire.
28 A perverse man sows strife,
And a whisperer separates the best of friends.
29 A violent man entices his neighbor,
And leads him in a way that is not good.
30 He winks his eye to devise perverse things;
He purses his lips and brings about evil.
31 The silver-haired head is a crown of glory,
If it is found in the way of righteousness.
32 He who is slow to anger is better than the mighty,
And he who rules his spirit than he who takes a city.
33 The lot is cast into the lap,
But its every decision is from the LORD.
Footnotes:
Proverbs 16:5 Literally hand to hand
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