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"Brit-Am Now"-1069
Contents:
1. Ex-Nazi Affirms: Brit-Am is doing some good
2. Questions and Remarks Concerning Stonehenge, National Symbols, Irish and Hebrew mysticism,
and the Hebrew Roots of Irish and Falmenco Dancing
3. Rev David Lindblad: Observations of Interest on Isaiah 41
4. Climate Change in Ancient Scythia?
5. Need for Brit-Am Chat Room?
6. Thomas Gray: More on the Third Temple
7. Walt Baucum: Temple not by Human Agency?
8. Another Question on Keeping the Law and the Lost Ten Tribes
9. Yair Davidiy: On Ephraimites Keeping the Law, Personal Observations

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1. Ex-Nazi Affirms: Brit-Am is doing some good
 Yair, thank you very much for your work? if you ever wonder whether your work is doing any good, remember me?I?m a recovering Aryan nations nazi, and I gladly tell anyone who will listen about the things I?ve learned from you, and how it has opened my heart to a whole new understanding of life and Hashem?
Shalom, la hitra ot,[See you Again]
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2. Questions and Remarks Concerning Stonehenge, National Symbols, Irish and Hebrew mysticism,
and the Hebrew Roots of Irish and Falmenco Dancing
From: Daoine Sidhe Academy <brandydancer05@yahoo.com>
Subject: Stonehenge, US Eagle & Hebrew roots in Spanish and Irish Dancing
 traditions.

A recent note from a fellow Brit-AM enthusiast has prompted me to forward some notes of interest. Some points may seem challenging and I can not say that I have read all that Brit-AM has to offer. Therefore, I may put my foot in my mouth. I'm not trying to be dismissive or argumentative. Rather devil's advocate for the sake of solidifying evidence in support of the 10 tribes theory.

I also have some original insight to offer as an informal expert on two distinct cultures which are seldom compared, but are obviously related.

Stonehenge;

(1. I have educated doubts about Hebrew influence in its construction. Mainly because Stonehenge is dated so much earlier than the accounts of migration supported by Brit-Am and because the henge was originally constructed of wood, which carbon dates much earlier than the time-line in question. The very fact that it was constructed of wood first opposes the "heaping of stones" theory. If not for the carbon dating of the wood, PERHAPS, you could play around a bit with the time line. But not enough to dismiss the gap proven by the carbon tests.

Uneducated researchers like to just assume connections between the small Irish T-shaped dolmens and those of England's Stonehenge. However, there is a distinct possibility that they are unrelated and were built by two entirely different cultures. Stonehenge is an astronomical device. The Dolmens of Eire are just stacks of uncut rocks, much more appropriate as mere "waymarks".

(BTW, has anyone ever traced a map connecting the dolmens in Ireland along the migratory path? Do we get a "Serpent" line? Could this be related to the "Fairy highways" or Ley lines in Ireland?)

(2. Concerning Flags and National symbols:

What is the stance of Brit-AM of how a nation comes to choose its "symbols"?
I ask this because reading some of this material one would think that there is a global conspiracy perpetrated by some covert fellowship with a biblical agenda.

Is it only important that these symbols appear in fulfillment of prophecy?

 Do you point to the Ulster flag and US Eagle as evidence that the people  maintain some memory of their origins or that it is simply divine provenance that the tribal symbols tend to pop up in the political flags?

The two symbols mentioned above do not intentionally bare Hebrew or biblically allusive symbols. The Ulster flag is a twentieth century invention with non-biblical explanations for its unique symbolism.

Also, the US national bird came very close to being a Turkey. The selection of a bird was arbitrary. The BALD EAGLE was eventually selected because it was a large and ferocious NATIVE bird. The Bald eagle can not be found in the "old world". Further, it was more likely that the founding fathers associated the Eagle, in general, with Rome. This would make a decidedly un-Ephramite symbol. Again, this is not an attack but a call for clarification and re-evaluation of what may be considered good and bad "Evidence".

Acceptance of Divine provenance is good enough for me.

(3. I published a book in 1992 concerning the Irish Faery Faith. It presented a spiritual philosophy based on observations of historical accounts and lore from the Irish folk traditions. In short, I found that the folk-faith of the ancient Irish distills into Hebrew mysticism.

(4. I am a Flamenco and an Irish Dancer. I have observed many parallels between the Spanish and Irish cultures which relate to Hebrew roots. Music and dance traditions often preserve the most ancient memories of a culture, but are generally overlooked by academics.

Both Irish and Spanish folk traditions revere the fringed shawl as a symbol of their cultural identity. Both shawls are identical to the ancient fringed garment which predates the formal tallit.

Historians have gone so far as to claim that dancing was unknown in Ireland before the Romans introduced it to the British Isles. However, they go on to say that Irish musicians were among the most skilled in all the world. The idea that the Irish were deeply musical but did not "dance" is obviously preposterous and is merely due to the lack of a Gaelic word for dancing. The modern Irish words for dance are "Damhsa" (Dow-Su) reportedly borrowed from the French "Danse". and Rinka which is reportedly borrowed from teutonic sources. I pose that there are no native Irish words for dance because ancient Irish would have used the words used in scripture in place of "dance", such as "rejoyce" and Raqad; meaning to stamp  jump leap or skip.  All of which are distinctive aspects of old-fashioned Irish dancing.

(I wonder if someone affluent in Hebrew can tell me what "Rikud" means as it relates to dance and seems suspiciously similar to the Irish Rinka.)

Further, even arrogant Irish historians will admit the influence of Spanish dancing Spanish dancing on the Irish tradition, and similarly, Flamenco is known to derive from Arabic "belly dancing". Here then, is a direct link between Irish culture and the East. In addition, it is interesting to note that scriptural descriptions of Israelite women's attire are identical to that of later Arabic dancers. (this is important to my research at least)

Finally, because the roots of Flamenco are so ancient, and attributed to Phoenician culture, no one claims to know exactly what the word "Flamenco" actually means. This is odd seeing as a society of people still designate themselves by it in a way similar to how a Jew is self-defined. Also similar is that the Flamenco are not a common society. They are a culture of richly trained and seasoned artists who survive ancient traditions. This is very similar to the Ovates of Ireland who are associated with the Druids and minstrel classes.

Getting back to the term "Flamenco", The most accepted belief is that it is from Arabic meaning something to the extent of "people without a land". What better definition for an exiled Israelite?

Blessings,

Adam


Footnote: Both Irish and Spanish artists can only trace their traditions back several hundred years, to approximately the same date. They assume that their traditions are much older but admit that the "flowering" of their arts and culture are modern and that the roots thereof are "lost" to history.
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Brit-Am Replies:
(1 Concerning the Dolmens you need to read our notes on Changes in the Calendar and the invalidity of Carbon dating.
http://www.britam.org/megaliths/MTArchiveContents.html
We understand that the length of the year changes from a 360 day year to the present one of 365.25 days. Since Stonehenge and many of the other megaliths are orientated according to the winter and summer solstices etc they must have been set up AFTER the calendar changes which occurred in ca. 720 BCE.
Carbon dating is unreliably administered apart from being based on the presence of a carbon isotope which varies according to sunspot activity and other factors.

(2. (a) Concerning the use of Symbols etc we too attribute them more to Divine Providence than anything else though such factors as some kind of inherited communal instinct may also be considered.
(b) The point about the bald eagle is valid.
Our acceptance of evidence may be classified along the following lines:
(i) Evidence which is clear, unequivocal, and almost incontrovertible.
(ii) Evidence which is strong but requires some explanation and argumentation to affirm its validity.
(iii) Border-line evidence which is more or less "take-it-or-leave-it" and at all events needs to be considered in the light of the overall body of proof.
Our use of the bald-headed eagle USA symbol as evidence in Brit-Am favor:
http://www.britam.org/Proof/geo/geoEagleEnds.html
enters more into category no (iii).

(3. Parallels between Irish Traditions and Hebrew Mysticism.
We would be interested to hear anything you have to say on the subject.

(4. Your points about dancing are interesting.
The Hebrew word for "dance" is "rikud" fromt he root "RKD" and implies jumping around, skipping as you mentioned.
It is apparently related to RKA (or RKAn) implying expand, spread out, beat out, etc.

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3. Rev David Lindblad: Observations of Interest on Isaiah 41
Rev David Lindblad  wrote:

 

Hello Yair Davidiy.

Thank you for your work and insight into this neglected, but timely, subject of great interest.

Could you please comment on the following questions based on the following text from Isaiah Chapter 41:8-10, and any truth relative to BritAm that you see in the surrounding context, regarding possible relationship to the ten lost tribes according to BritAm insight?
Isaiah 41:8-10:

41:8 ...Jacob, whom I have chosen...,
,,,the descendants of Abraham My friend...

41:9 ...you whom I have taken from the ends of the earth...

...called from its farthest regions...

...I have chosen you...

..and have not cast you away...

41:10 ?Fear not for I am with you...

...be not dismayed for I am your God...

Is God herein prophetically addressing a people who possibly do not know who or Whose they are, genetically and historically, e.g., the unwitting genetic progeny of "Jacob", and who are unaware of the fact that they are "...the descendants of Abraham..."?

Is God herein calling them to return to Him because of the fact that they are, geographically and physically, in relationship to His Covenant and Promised Land, located at the "...ends of the earth...", and consequently are herein being called to return to the One Whom they presently do not know, specifically, as the literal, genetic "...descendants of Abraham...", but Whom their antecedents previously did know, because of their having been dispersed to the earths "...farthest regions...", thusly having lost awareness of their ancestral connection to Israel?

Is God herein declaring to these people whom He says are "...taken from the ends of the earth..." something that they literally needed to know, but didn't, when He tells them "...I am with you..." and "...I am your God..."?

Why would God need to tell these whom He says live in the "...ends of the earth..." and "...its farthest regions..." that they are the descendants of "...Jacob, whom I have chosen..." and "...the descendants of Abraham My friend..." if they already knew and had accepted these facts?

Why would God need to inform these whom He had called from the earths farthest regions ? "...I have chose you and have not cast you away..." unless they believed that they were not chosen by God and had in fact been "...cast away..."?

Thank you for your interest and response. Please forgive my ignorance of this subject. I have only been aware of the possibility of the ten lost tribes for about three weeks, since I stumbled across your web site while searching the web for other bible topics.

Sincerely,

Rev David Lindblad
Phoenix, Arizona USA, dlindblad1@cox.net

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Brit-Am Replies:
Shalom,
Your questions make some interesting and pertinent points.
Add them to what we wrote in our commentary on Isaiah and a more complete picture emerges:

See (a) Summary of Isaiah 41
http://www.britam.org/isaiah/Isaiah41to45.html
Summary of Chapter 41: The Islands will be called upon to return to the truth (41:1). God will raise up his righteous representative to overcome his enemies (41:2-3). God is the beginning and end and knows all that will be (41:4). Israel is the servant of God (41:8) and the servant-people from the ends of the earth. Israel in the last Days will be in the geographical extremities of the earth, e.g. America, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Scandinavia, Netherlands, etc. Israel will be at the ends of the earth and in the best places thereof (41:9). God will help Jacob and Israel meaning the Ten Tribes and Judah (Isaiah 41:14). All of the Israelites will return to the Land of Greater Israel and re-possess most of the Middle East, much of which is now desert. Miracles will happen. There will be climatic changes (41:18).

(b) Brit-Am Commentary to Isaiah 41.
http://www.britam.org/isaiah/Isaiah41to45.html#41
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4. Climate Change in Ancient Scythia?
Brit-Am (as well as Stephen Collons and numerous other researchers)
traces the Lost Ten Tribes to Scythia and from there to Western Europe.
The abstract below suggests a climate change in Scythia about a hundred or so
years before the Israelites moved there.
This possibility and its implications concerning  archaeological finds etc could be worth keeping in mind.
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"Climate change and the expansion of the Scythian culture after 850
BC: a hypothesis" by B. van Geel et al. in Journal of Archaeological
Science, Volume 31, Issue 12, December 2004, Pages 1735-1742 at
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WH8-
4D09FM5-
1&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&
_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=3acb11b882a19aba01ee0e292537c7
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Note the above URL was what was given to us but we could not access it.
Abstract: In south-central Siberia archaeological evidence suggests an acceleration of cultural development and an increase in the density of nomadic populations around 850 BC. We hypothesize a relationship with an abrupt climatic shift towards increased humidity caused by a decline of solar activity. Areas that initially may have been hostile semi-deserts changed into attractive steppe landscapes with a high biomass production and high carrying capacity. Newly available steppe areas could be invaded by herbivores, making them attractive for nomadic tribes. The central Asian horse-riding Scythian culture expanded, and an increased population density was a stimulus for westward migration towards southeastern Europe.

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5. Need for Brit-Am Chat Room?
Dear Yair,
 
Something I would like to see at www.britam.org would be a "meeting place"?an IRC chat room, for instance, where like minded people could meet and discuss the ideas we share, and possibly even to meet in person someday?.
 
Sometimes, even an internet chat buddy is better than being totally alone?

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6. Thomas Gray: More on the Third Temple
 Re: "Brit-Am Now"-1068
#4. Charlotte Mecklenburg: Why we need a Temple

Daniel 12 is a key passage on this subject.  There is to be a time of trouble at the end of the age and Daniel 12:11 refers to an abomination of desolation.  This is not a destruction of the temple, but a desecration of the holy place in a manner like Antiochus Epiphanes did in the times of the Maccabbees.  Some say that this is simply referring to the same incident of Antiochus, but Christians have many reasons for believing that this applies to the third temple, and that there will be a cleansing of the temple once again similar to the events that led to Hannukah.  This belief is adopted and often distorted by the replacement theology people, but the two concepts should not be blurred together.
Thomas Gray.
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#4. Charlotte Mecklenburg: Why we need a Temple
Re: "Brit-Am Now"-1067
#3. Tessa: Rebuilding the Temple
http://britam.org/now/1067Now.html#67Tessa

Now those Christians who say to me, there must be a temple made so it can be destroyed before the Messiah comes; in view of what the scriptures say about God and his temple I have a hard time believing such a thing should or will happen.  It says to me that the Jews would build a temple in the land and people would be cleansed and God would come and dwell with them, then they would go away from Him sinning again and God would allow the Temple to be desecrated before the Messiah comes. I don't see any reference to this in the Tanach.

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7. Walt Baucum: Temple not by Human Agency?
Re: "Brit-Am Now"-1068
#4. Charlotte Mecklenburg: Why we need a Temple

Yair, Shalom. In answer to Tessa and Charlotte and others regarding the Messiah, I understand that David will be resurrected to serve in that position.  Ezek. 37:24 says clearly that David will be king in the coming kingdom.  Verse 25 says he will be our prince forever.  It is confusing when you write that someone other than David, but FROM the House of David, will be the Messiah.  Do you not believe that David will not be the one?
Concerning who and when the Temple will be rebuilt, Zech. 6:13 says the BRANCH (David: Jer. 33:15---note that the word "unto" is not in the original) shall grow up out of his PLACE (i.e. the ground, where David is now) and will sit and rule on his throne (vs. 13), and will rebuild the Temple.
Verses 12 and 13 clearly say that the Temple will be rebuilt by a resurrected (into spirit form as I understand it) King David (the Branch).  He will "...build the temple of the Almighty.  Even he shall build the temple of the Almighty."
These verses are so clear that I cannot understand the confusion.  If the Temple is to be rebuilt in our lifetime, it is clear that it will be after God ...resurrects David to rule under Him, and then has David to rebuild it.  People who are collecting money now for the rebuilding of the Temple are wasting their time, and money.
Concerning Michael Johnson's comment re. the children of Zadok rebuilding it, they might very well be involved in helping David do it because there apparently will be a Levitical Priesthood serving in the Temple in the coming Kingdom of God on the earth.
Walt Baucum
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Brit-Am Replies:
(a) Concerning David see
http://www.britam.org/Questions/QuesDavid.html
http://www.britam.org/Questions/QuesMessiah.html#David
Brit-Am more or less leaves the question open but tends to the option that the "David" spoken of is a descendant of David.

[Ezekiel 37:24] AND DAVID MY SERVANT SHALL BE KING OVER THEM; AND THEY ALL SHALL HAVE ONE SHEPHERD: THEY SHALL ALSO WALK IN MY JUDGMENTS, AND OBSERVE MY STATUTES, AND DO THEM.
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(b) Concerning the Temple. Jewish tradition seems to hold by both opinions i.e. that the Third Temple will be rebuilt by human agency and that this Third Temple will be replaced or transformed later by Heavenly Agency.
We consider interest in the rebuilding of the Temple etc are a positive phenomenon which deserves to be encouraged though we ourselves (at least up to now) have done every little in this direction.
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8. Another Question on Keeping the Law and the Lost Ten Tribes
KEN PROCTOR wrote:
 

Mr. Davidy,
 
In reading some of your material I read that even though US and GB are Israel they are not obliged to keep the 10 commandments at this time, specifically the sabbath command, this does not stand to reason.
If their ancestors were deported from their land and scattered throughout the world for forsaking God and his ways (commandments, laws) and specifically the sabbaths, why would God now wink at their continued disobedience?
The 10 commandments are foundational for humans, not just Israel, Israel was just to be an example to the world....and truly at the restoration, the whole world will have the 10 as the foundation of its law....
I do not understand the reasoning...or I possibly misunderstood what I read....
 
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Brit-Am Replies:
You understood what we said.
We have articles on this subject as well as lengthy discussions
and the replies of our correspondents.
See:
"Brit-Am Now"-1009
http://www.britam.org/now/1009Now.html
#5. Why the Lost Tribes are not OBLIGATED under the Law today. General Outline
#6. Why the Lost Tribes are not OBLIGATED under the Law today.
a. Renewal of the Covenant Possibly a Precedent for Re-Acceptance of the Lost Tribes?

Joseph and the Law.
Do Ephraimites have to Keep the Law of Moses in our time as distinct from the End Times?
http://www.britam.org/worship.html

To sum up:
Gentiles do not have to keep the  Sabbath.
"The Lost Ten Tribes" at the moment are technically "Gentiles" from a religious legal point of view.
Therefore they are not obligated by the Law.
In our time they probably should adopt aspects of the Mosaic Law as many of them are doing though halachically-legally they may not be bound to do so.
This acceptance should therefore be considered as something they voluntarily take upon themselves.
Brit-Am is occupied with religion against its will since we are concerned with Israelite Ancestry and understanding the Bible. Nevertheless this is not our field.
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9. Yair Davidiy: On Ephraimites Keeping the Law, Personal Observations

Ephraimites frequently claim that they observe the "Torah"
see:
"Brit-Am Now"-1038
http://www.britam.org/now/1038Now.html
#3. What Do Ephraimites mean when they say they keep the Law?

This is very good.
The Ephraimite understanding of the Law is however frequently different from that of Rabbinical Jews.
This is their own concern.
Nevertheless in the interests of rapport between Judah and Joseph certain generalities should be kept in mind.
The Law of Judah should be respected when meeting people from Judah or when sojourning in the Land of Israel.
We have had some unpleasant experiences on this matter.
In one case an Ephraimite who considered himself Torah observant could not understand why we could not drive anywhere on Shabat and seemed a little offended by it.
On at least two occasions Ephraimites wished to hug female associates of Brit-Am since this is apparently accepted in their circles. Religious Jews however prefer that there be as little contact as possible and even handshakes are avoided.
An Ephraimite who settled in Israel opened a restaurant where mixed meat and cheese was a central item on the menu.
The last thing Israel needs at present is yet another non-Kosher restaurant.
See our article:
Milk and Meat Mixing Prohibited!
http://britam.org/Questions/QuesJudaism.html#Milk
We are not saying that Ephraimites have to keep the Law the same way as Judah does only that when in contact with Judah or when in the Land of Israel that sensitivity be displayed in dealing with Judah.
Stephen Collins when he was in Israel was exemplary in this regard.






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