"Brit-Am Now"-21
Contents:
1.Ogam and Old Arabic
2. Temple Mount and British officer Charles Warren
3. JUDAESAPTAN, legendary kingdom in Austria
Date: 05/23/2002 11:47:44 AM Central
Daylight Time
1.
From: wayne robinson
There is a program on israelnet.tv
concerning writings in ogam and
old Arabic that have been found in
eastern Kentucky U.S.A.. It would seem
that some of these were placed there
BCE by visitors from Europe and the
middle-east. Also found is a place
that Baal worship was carried out.
Wayne Robinson
Comment: Sounds like the program was
based on the findings of Barry Fell
and his school. If these findings are
correct then they incidentally
strongly confirm Brit-Am researches.
We however do not usually refer to
these claims since they are not generally
accepted, we can prove our points
from more conventionally accepted researches
and our own controversial
beliefs are already more than enough
for most people.
2.
Subject: RE: "Brit-Am Now"-20 To: 'Yair
Davidiy' <britam@netvision.net.il>
[snip]
British officer Charles Warren was
the first scholar to excavate north
of
the Temple Mount, in the Christian
Quarter. Everywhere he worked, says
Barkai, Warren noted that the color
of the earth above the rock was
darker,
making it possible to distinguish pottery
fragments found in it from
other
potsherds. Warren also wrote about
"oil candles" - open clay candles
typical of the First Temple period
- that he found in the Jewish and
Muslim
Quarters.
[snip]
These "scholars" [maximimalists and
super-maximalists] are completely
misinterpreting the data. Potshards
found in the surrounding area are
not proof of an expanded permanent
population. Are these "scholars"
totally unaware of the effect of the
three pilgramage festivals on the
city of Jerusalem. The male population
of the entire nation was
commanded by G-d to go up to Jerusalem
for Pesach/Chag HaMatzah
(Passover and the Days of Unleavened
Bread), Shavuot (Pentecost), and
Sukkot (Feast of Tabernacles). Large
encampments would exist around the
city during these times. This would
explain the fact that no permanent
structures were found while potshards
and lamp fragments were found.
Gregory R.
3.
At 01:38 PM 5/16/2002 +0530, you wrote:
The Encyclopedia Judaica has an entry
on Judaeasaptan, a Jewish kingdom
in Austria. Is it a legend?
Answer:
Encyclopedia Judaica:
JUDAESAPTAN, legendary kingdom in Austria.
The legend, first printed in
Hagen's chronicle (15th century), relates
how the Jew Abraham of
Theomanaria arrived in Austria 800
years after the flood and founded the
kingdom of Judaesaptan whith its capital,
Stockerau; there he reigned for
33 years, while his sons ruled as tetrarchs
in Korneuburg, Tulin, and
Vienna. The 16 th century historian
Wolfgang Lazius, attempted to establish
the truth of the legend (which was
considered historic fact even in 1783)
by interpreting Hebrew inscriptions
on tombstones. Another version speaks
of two men, Saunas and Juda Saptai,
who established the kingdom in 1700
B.C.E. Yet another version credits
them with the founding of Vienna. One
chronicle enumerates 72 Jewish princes,
ruling in Austria until 200 B.C.E.
From "Lost Israelite Identity" (1996)
by Yair Davidy:
THE AUSTRIAN CHRONICLE, CIMMERIANS,
AND ISRAEL.
The early center of Celtic Halstatt civilization was centered in
Austria. A Latin document known as
The Austrian Chronicle and purporting to
be based on ancient traditions may
shed some light on Cimmerian origins.
This source says that Central Europe
had been subjected by the Assyrians
and that Jews exiled by Sennacherib
were carried into Eastern Europe along
the Danube River. Beginning in ca.
707 b.c.e. says the Chronicle, the
Jews overcame a certain King
Gennan who then became Jewish; consequently,
the Jews intermarried with the local
rulers in the regions of Austria and
Hungary, the pagans were subdued
and the whole country was Jewish until
ca.227 c.e. This legend sounds quite
far-fetched but it is interesting to
compare it with known fact: Many Jews
from Judah were exiled by Sennacherib
and they appear to have joined the
northern Lost Ten Tribes in Exile and to
have become identified with them; There
are signs in Europe at this time of
Assyrian influence; the Cimmerians
(who at the least included Israelites
amongst them) did come westward in
the period ca. 700-650 b.c.e. and did
gain control; A Cimmerian-Celtic presence
may have remained more or less
dominant in the area of Austria up
until the late date ascribed to Jewish
suzerainity.
Celtic Civilization in Austria is referred to as Halstatt. The
Halstatt civilisation of central and
western Europe was brought after
conquest by a group using wagon burials19,
long Assyrian type swords, and a
peculiar type of helmet. The said helmet
appears to previously have been
employed by horsemen in the land of
Israel, it was later found in use by
horsemen in Assyrian service, and was
afterwards to be considered typically
"Scythian". The horse gear of the newcomers
to Halstatt was Oriental and is
recognisable as that employed by Assyrian
cavalrymen or (depending on
which dates are relied on) was
then being used contemporaneously by
horsemen in Assyrian employ. At the
same time (or shortly before as
mentioned above) as the centre of Halstatt
civilisation was being
conquered, a different group gained
control of Hungary to the east. This
second entity had emerged from Anatolia
after 660 and smashed the Illyrian
power in the Balkans. They are identifiable
as another group of
Cimmerians20 or Scythians. They practiced
single burial21 and their horse
gear connects them to the Caucasus22
and "Iranian"23 areas, and reveals
them to have been close culturally
to the Scyths proper24. The two separate
bodies intermerged and after ca.500
b.c.e.25 are indistinguishable.
Halstatt civilisation in its strict
sense began well after 700 b.c.e. i.e.
after the arrival of the Cimmerians.
Archaeologists have noticed "striking
analogies in weapons and ornaments,
in brooches and pottery found in
Russian Armenia and the Hallstatt area
of Europe"26. Russian Armenia means
the territory held by Urartu wherein
the Cimmerians had previously
established themselves. The Cimmerians
forefathered the Celts and "it is
generally agreed that the Celts came
from the east by the valley of the
Danube"27. The newcomers in the west
practiced four-wheeled chariot
burials. The wheels of their chariots
are unlike those previously used in
Urnfield Europe BUT the same as those
of Assyrian carts from the 700s
b.c.e. as seen on palace reliefs28.
The chariots of Halstatt civilisation
had a standard gauge (3' 6" to 3' 9"),
examples of which have been found in
Britain, and whose origins hark back
to the city of Ur in ancient
Mesopotamian Sumer.*29
Piggott noted "how Asia Minor, Syria, and the far-off kingdom of
Urartu round Lake Van contributed to
the toreutic art [i.e. metal
embossing] of prehistoric Europe"30.
Piggott was referring mainly to the
Halstatt period after 600 b.c.e. He
noted both the Greek and Phoenician
influences on this art.
The term "Phoenician" includes Israelite. The Neo-Assyrian era is
associated with the re-settlement of
Israelite exiles. It was noticed that
a new type of horse harness and bridle
from the era of king Sargon onwards
led to a greater emphasis on the employment
of cavalry (as against
chariotry) in the Assyrian armed forces.
Regarding this innovation from the
700s b.c.e. onwards, Piggot says that,
"Probably Cimmerian north Pontic peoples"
were responsible for, "the
appearance of a whole group of novel
metal types associated with the bridle
bits and harness of horses"....
"From the Hungarian plain to the Swiss Lakes, Belgium, the south
of France, and even Britain and Scandinavia"...
"Their distribution stretches eastward to the Caucasus, and it has
recently been pointed out that Assyrian
horse bits, constantly depicted on
their monumental reliefs, change, late
in the eighth century, into versions
of this same type,.."
i.e. Cimmerian migrations may be traced
from the Assyrian-dominated Middle
East across Europe into Britain. They
were noted for their equestrian
specialties as the exiled Israelites
(with whom they are associable) had been.
Apparently referring to Cimmerian (and Scythian) influence on the
Assyrians, Urartians, and Persians,
Piggot remarks:
" The Cimmerians have been invoked
as an ultimate agent in the further
adoption of cavalry from the seventh
century onwards by the contemporary
civilisations of antiquity" 31.
Similar traces of the Cimmerians also
appear at Carcamish in north Syria on
the Euphrates and in Persia.