"Brit-Am Now"-149

November 15, 2002
Contents:
1. Quote on the Jews from Mark Twain
2. Quotes  from Sir Winston Churchill
3. Aristocratic Descendants of David: Question regarding Makir Thierry
David

1. Quote on the Jews from Mark Twain
Mark Twain
..."If statistics are right, the Jews constitute but one percent of the
human race. It suggests a nebulous dim puff of stardust lost in the
blaze of the Milky way. properly, the Jew ought hardly to be heard of, but he
is heard of, has always been heard of. He is as prominent on the planet as
any other people, and his commercial importance is extravagantly out of
proportion to the smallness of his bulk. His contributions to the
world's list of great names in literature, science, art, music, finance,
medicine, and abstruse learning are also away out of proportion to the weakness
of his numbers. He has made a marvelous fight in this world, in all the
ages; and had done it with his hands tied behind him. He could be vain of
himself, and be excused for it. The Egyptian, the Babylonian, and the
Roman followed, and made a vast noise, and they are gone. Other peoples have
sprung up and held their torch high for a time, but it burned out, and
they sit in twilight now, or have vanished. The Jew saw them all, beat them
all, and is now what he always was, exhibiting no decadence, no infirmities
of age, no weakening of his parts, no slowing of his energies, no dulling
of his alert and aggressive mind. All things are mortal but the Jew; all
other forces pass, but he remains. What is the secret of his immortality?"

  Mark Twain
 

2. Quotes from Sir Winston Churchill:
"Still, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win
without bloodshed, if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not
so costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all
the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may
be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no chance of victory,
because it is better to perish than to live as slaves."

"Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most times he will
pick himself up and carry on."

"History will be kind to me for I intend to write it."
 

3. Question on "Bnei Menasseh of Burma

Question
  At 20:58 14/11/2002 -0500, Zvi wrote:
><PRE>  DEAR Yair,    in light of recent events regarding the BNAI Menashe,
>what is the position of BRIT-AM,  regarding their status as one of the lost
>tribes of ISRAEL.    Shalom,  ZVI
>
Answer:
BNAI Menashe are a Burmese type people who live in the border regions
between India and Burma. Some of them claim to be descended from "Manasseh".
Our impression is that this is a recent claim and not proven or even backed
up with any real evidence that could support their case.
We would be prepared to consider any evidence whatsoever that could be
put forward on their behalf.
We have not seen any. We have seen statements based on  undocumented
"facts" that if true would justify further examination.
  Even so, they and their supporters do help bring attention to the Lost
Ten Tribes question in general and this is positive.
We have nothing against them as people and decided a long time ago not
to  get involved in their case one way or another.
The organization "Amishav" of Rabbi Eliyahu Avichail has taken an
interest  in them and helps sponsor them.  Several hundred have converted to
Judaism and settled in Israel. Those who come to Israel have been specially
chosen in advance. They are mostly young and the males are often skilled. Some
of the girls have married Americans and the marriages seem to have been
successful.
On the whole they keep to themselves. There appear to have been a few
minor problems of alcoholism,
and assimilation difficulties but, as far as we know, no serious
complaints have been made against them.
A few learn in Rabbinical Colleges (Yeshivot) and some are studious.

Brit-Am emphasizes evidence from Biblical and Rabbinical sources
supplemented by historical and related studies together with a frequent
instinctive recognition by
the people concerned of kinship.
The problem, from the Jewish point of view, is that the people we
identify are usually members of other
religions with no desire to convert to Judaism. On the contrary, in
some cases, they wish to convert Jews to their own creeds.
Nevertheless, the Brit-Am identifications are true ones and therefore
the ensuing conflicts of faith
must be either dealt with or left for time and/or the Messianic Era to
solve.
The very act of making the identifications and confirming them both to
"Judah" and to "Joseph" is what can be done at the moment
and what we understand to be a need of the process of Redemption that
must be met.
This is an obligation that we are fulfilling or at least trying to.
 

3. Aristocratic Descendants of David: Question regarding Makir Thierry David

Dear Mr Davidy,
I have been reading your writings for a few months now, and I am
impressed by your work. I have known about the Israelite identity of the British
and kindred peoples from my childhood, since my great grandparents were
very involved in British Israel prophecy, and British Israel teaching was a
part of my early spiritual life. That was on my father's side of our family.
My mother's side of our family, however, had never known this truth,
even though they were ever devout Christian people.
My father's family are English, Welsh, and Jewish form Normandy. My
mother's family are English and Scottish, Cree/Blackfoot, French
Canadian, and Bessarabian German. My mother's Quebecois forebears came to Canada
in the early seventeenth century, and our English and Scottish ancestors
came to Canada with the Hudson's Bay Company in the eighteenth century and
married women from the Cree and Blackfoot nations. My grandfather's
family came from Bessarabia, and were Saxon Germans from Mecklenburg and
Saxony.
My mother's ancestors were some of the first explorers and pioneers to
come to Canada, and their names are dotted all across the map of our
Dominion.
These people all formed a sort of clique here in Canada, especially in
Manitoba and Saskatchewan, and into this family many old French
Canadian families married.
Thus my grandmother's grandmother was a woman of French Canadian and
Scottish/Blackfoot ancestry named Jane Lambert, whose father was
Jacques Lambert from Quebec. These Lamberts are all descended from a man named
Jacques David dit Pontiffe. (The "dit" in old French Canada indicated
the use of a familiar patronymic to distinguish one family of the same name
from another, and in French "pontiffe" or "pontif" means priest or
bishop.)  His father was Blaise-Didier David, who had been born at Rouen,
Normandy.
The Davids were all royal notaries for the French government in Quebec
and back in France. The David desend uninterrupted back to Julien de St
Etienne David of Rouen who was baptised after the edict of Duke Philip Augustus
of Normandy expelled all the Jews from Normandy unless they had been
baptised.
 From what I understand, the David family of Rouen, who were the royal
notaries for the province of Normandy, were originally a Jewish family
descended from Makir Thierry (Theodoric) David, the son of Hannini
David
who was born at Pembaditha in Babylon and was the Exilarch of the
Babylonian Jews. According to this story, Thierry David, who was called
Makir, and is known variously as Theodoric or Dietrich David, came to
Narbonne in southern France during the reign of Charlemagne, and that
many of his descendants settled in Normandy, all bearing the surname David.
Now, my question to you is this, Do you think that there is any truth
to this? and, if there is any truth to this, 1) What is the evidence that
this family is descended from Thierry David? and 2) would descent from
Thierry David mean that there is a literal descent from King David through
Jehoiachin?
I taught history for many years, and I always want firm evidence, and I
have not been able to find any firm evidence in regard to this matter,
and I was wondering if you could help me in this, or let me know what you
think about this.
Finally, as an aside not completely unrelated, my father's family on
his mother's side are Howards from Lancashire who are descended from the
Norfolk Howards. Evidently, the Howards also descend from Thierry David
through the royal houses of Navarre and Aquitaine. This I learned not
too long ago as I was attempting to research the David claim to descent
from the Thierry David called the Makir.
If you could be of any help to me in this matter, I would be sincerely
grateful. With thanks for your time, and with prayers for God's blessing upon
you, I am
Yours very truly,
Robert D. Redmile.

Answer:
Shalom.
(a) In General:
Good to hear from you. I assume you have already made contact with
Athol Bloomer
<atholb13@hotmail.com> who has done much work on the family trees of Makir
and related genealogical research.
Arthur J. ZUCKERMAN,  ("A Jewish Princedom in Feudal France, 768 900".
New York 1972) was the first researcher to seriously show the connections of King David,
Makir, and some western aristocracies.
  I believe in Zuckerman's research. There was a Jewish descendant of
King David who settled in southern France and whose family played an important role in
history and intermarried with the nobility of western Europe.

I was once commissioned by a sponsor to independently research this subject.
I did not manage to go into the subject very deeply nor obtain really clear cut answers
but from the little I saw the eventual offshoots of the family of Makir
(direct descendant of David) were far wider than even Zuckerman had
indicated.
The work of Zuckerman also dealt with the Goths in southern France and indirectly helped
confirm our conclusion that the Goths and related peoples were part of the Lost Ten Tribes of Israel.

(b) Specific:
You asked:
<<Now, my question to you is this, Do you think that there is any truth
to this? and, if there is any truth to this, 1) What is the evidence that
this family is descended from Thierry David? and 2) would descent from
Thierry David mean that there is a literal descent from King David through Jehoiachin?>>

Answer: You asked what was the truth concerning:
(1) "Thierry David, who was called Makir, and is known variously as
Theodoric or Dietrich David, came to Narbonne in southern France during
the reign of Charlemagne, and that many of his descendants settled in
Normandy, all bearing the surname David." "1) What is the evidence that this
family is descended from Thierry David?"
It is a long time since I read Zuckerman's book and then did my own
research on the matter and my notes are not with me. Any connection
with the ruling families of Provence or Flanders raises the possibility of
descent from Makir. Such connections did exist in Normandy. It also
depends on whether either the male or female lines concern you or just the male
ones.
You also asked:
(2) Would descent from Thierry David mean that there is a literal
descent from King David through Jehoiachin?
(2) Would descent from Thierry David mean that there is a literal
descent from King David through Jehoiachin?
Answer: If by Thierry David you mean Makir, Yes.    Zuckerman's sources are reliable.



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