"Brit-Am Now"-587
1.Christina Kelly: In Support of Mr Gray
2.Joan Griffith : In Defence of Jacob and David
3. The Confederate Flag and Holy Tabernacle
The Truth About The Confederate Battle Flag
by Pastor John Weaver [Extracts Only]:
1.Christina Kelly: In Support of Mr Gray
Re: "Brit-Am Now"-586
Dear Yair:
I enjoyed Thomas Gray's observations. However, JR just sounds angry and strident to me. Why doesn't he/she sign their real name like Mr. Gray did? Mr. Gray said he wasn't an authority to begin with. Besides, the ancient Roman Empire IS gone. The EU may very well be reconstituted from the remnants of the Roman Empire, but that is not to say the original didn't experience a "world of hurt" for their actions. Same for Babylon, Nazi Germany, and all the others. Also, I believe that ANY person, people, church, religion or nation currently in existence who persecutes Israel will come under the wrath of YHVH, whether you call them Hamas, Al Qaeda, Neo Nazis, Presbyterians, Lutherans, Roman Catholics, Communists, Fascists, Democrats, Republicans, the United States or whatever.
There will be evil in the world until the Messiah comes and puts an end to it.
Brit-Am Comment: JR sent us the note but Brit-Am (as is our practice more often than not)
supplied the Title-Heading which has mislead everyone.
JR has since sent us a note saying that he had not intended that his letter be interpreted as directed
against the Article by Thomas Gray (which he had not even read) but rather against the comments of another
2.Joan Griffith : In Defence of Jacob and David
Subject: RE: "Brit-Am Now"-586
item #4.
This reminded me of a Jewish friend who is always "talking down" Jews. For example, I said something about King David and he said David was a murderer etc. and King Saul was insane... Joseph was a spoiled brat when he went to Egypt... and so on. He said Sharon was a fair leader, not an evil one, and Israel is governed lawfully. And other things.
All this is completely the opposite of what I've always heard! I knew the bad David was a recent book, but nobody so evil could have written psalms of repentance and praise like he did. The reason he is held up to us as an example of righteousness is that no matter how evil he allowed himself to become, he repented with his whole heart.
Jacob being a conniving liar -- I don't think so. His father-in-law Laban was the conniving liar (and Rachel seems to have followed in his steps, stealing his idols, which related to inheritance of Laban's property). He changed Jacob's wages several times trying to cheat him out of his wages and foisted off on him Leah, a wife Jacob did not love. Jacob just happened to be a good sheep breeder and herdsman and successfully outwitted Laban. Remember, he promised to give G-d 10% of his increase--and this was without G-d commanding him--and got rid of all idols before entering the land. He wrestled with an angel until he was blessed--hardly what someone of little character would do. Such people give up long before they get hurt.
Too many people are rewriting history to suit the latest theory. I think the sins of the saints are listed so we will know we can change our ways too, and that no matter how sinful we have been, G-d will remove our sins as far as the east is from the west, as David said.
Ode to a Pre-Owned Dog
How can it be that
Someone else didn't want you?
What an idiot.
                    -Melanie Lee Chang
3. The Confederate Flag and Holy Tabernacle
Below are brief extracts from a heavily Christian article from a heavily Christian web-site
but both the article and the web site make some good points:
The Truth About The Confederate Battle Flag
by Pastor John Weaver
[Extracts Only]:
Open your Bibles to the Book of Numbers Chapter 1. Numbers Chapter 1 and we will read some verses there and then in Chapter 2 as well.
Numbers Chapter 1:52 "And the children of Israel shall pitch their tents every man by his own camp and every man by his own standard throughout their hosts."
Note that phrase, "Every man by his own standard throughout their hosts."
Now look in Chapter 2:2. "Every man of the children of Israel shall pitch his own standard or banner or flag with the ensign, banner or flag, of their fathers house far off about the Tabernacle of the Congregation shall they pitch. And on the east side toward the rising of the sun shall they of the standard of the camp of Judah pitch throughout their armies; and Nahshon, the son of Amminadab shall be Captain of the Children of Judah."
 Notice if you would please, in verse 10,
"On the south side shall be the standard of the camp of Reuben according to their armies: and the captain of the children of Reuben shall be Elizur the son of Shedeur." Note on the south side shall be the standard of the camp of Reuben. Look in verse 17,
"Then the tabernacle of the congregation shall set forward with the camp of the Levites in the midst of the camp: as they encamp, so shall they set forward, every man in his place by their standards. On the west side shall be the standard of the camp of Ephraim according to their armies: and the captain of the sons of Ephraim shall be Elishama the son of Ammihud."
 Then verse 25, "The standard of the camp of Dan shall be on the north side by their armies. And the captain of the children of Dan shall be Ahiezer the son of Ammishaddai."
And then verse 31, "And they that were numbered in the camp of Dan were an hundred thousand and fifty and seven thousand and six hundred. They shall go to hindmost with their standards."
 Then verse 34, "And the children of Israel did according to all that the Lord commanded Moses so they pitched by their standards and so they set forward every one after their families according to the house of their fathers.
Let me begin by asking a simple question. Why in the world is there so much fuss over a flag? Is a standard, a banner, and ensign, or a flag worth fighting about? Everyone knows that a flag is a symbol. It represents something. But what is it a symbol of and what does it represent? ...
I want you to see by way of introduction tonight the importance of a flag or the importance of a standard. You see, when the children of Israel were encamped in the wilderness they camped everyone under their own standard. Do you realize that they were centered around that Tabernacle according to their standards as well? If you will look back in your Bibles to the Book of Numbers 2:2. Note this statement: "Every man of the children of Israel shall pitch by his own standard."
 So evidently a tribe had its own standard, with the ensign of their father's house. So there were not only tribal standards, there were also family standards, so usually then, each family carried two banners - one for their tribe and one for their father's house. And of course, all of these families in Israel, all of the tribes then were centered around that tabernacle. When they marched, they marched according to the order that God gave. Now there were four leading tribes: the Tribe of Judah, Rueben, Ephraim and Dan. Now according to tradition, the standard of the Tribe of Judah had a Lion on it...
Now I want you to turn in your Bibles to Psalm 20:5. The Word of God says this: "We will rejoice in thy salvation and in the name of our God we will set up our banners. The Lord fulfill all thy petitions."
Psalm 60:4: The Word of God says, "Thou hast given a banner to them that fear thee that it may be displayed because of thy truth." So God then gives us a banner that we might display that banner.
No one can deny the importance of a standard based upon the Word of God. But what about the Confederate Flag?
So let me begin tonight with some negatives. I want to tell you what the Confederate Battle Flag does not represent! I want to tell you what it does not symbolize and I want you to hear me very carefully, because I am going to give you the historical proof for what I am going to say. First of all, the Confederate Battle Flag is not a racist flag. I can hear it now though,
"Brother Weaver, don't you know that the Ku Klux Klan uses the Confederate Battle Flag, and don't you know that the white supremacists groups use the Confederate Flag, and don't you know the hate groups use the Confederate Flag?"
Yes, I know this. But I also know that they use the Stars and Stripes and I also know they even use the Christian flag as well.
Let me ask you a question. Why are not the Stars and Stripes and Christian flag considered racist flags as well?
I mean if someone is going to be guilty by association, or if something is going to be guilty by association, I can show you pictures of the KKK marching in Washington, D.C. and there was not one Confederate Flag amongst them. They are all carrying the Stars and Stripes, the U.S. Flag!
If we are going to condemn the flag because the KKK and the white supremacists and the hate groups use it, let's condemn all the flags. Be consistent! Condemn the Stars and Stripes. Condemn the Christian flag.
You see the Confederate Battle Flag is not a racist symbol and it never has been.
Did you know that out of the 224 years that slavery was legal in this country, only four of those years did the Confederate Battle Flag fly? And by the way, there were slaves in this country in 1620. What flag flew over the country more than any other flag during those 224 years? It was the Stars and Stripes. It wasn't the Confederate Battle Flag.
And if you want to hate another flag of slavery, why not hate the British flag? Did you know that England was responsible for taking five million blacks from Africa and selling them to every country under the sun? If you want to hate a flag, why not hate the Dutch flag or the Portuguese flag, or the Spanish flag? They sold slaves. And if you want to hate a flag today, how about hating the Muslim flags because even today the Muslims are still involved in slavery! I mean let's be honest. Now if you want to believe that the War of 1861 to 1865 was over slavery, I can show you two things that ought to forever correct your thinking in that area: The War was not over slavery.
The Confederate Battle Flag as we know it, really did not come into existence, or I should say, into full-blown presence until after First Manasses, July 21, 1861. Most of you know, or at least you should know, that the South and the North called their battles by different names. So it's either First Manasses or First Bull Run depending on what section of the country you are from....
After the battle it was found that many persons in both armies firmly believed that each side had used as a strategy the flags of his opponents! So the North thought the South was using its flag and the South thought the North used our flag trying to confuse us. Thus Beauregard ordered a totally different flag to be carried into battle. There were two designs, one by Colonel Walton and one by Colonel Miles. Colonel Walton's flag had a Latin cross on it and Colonel Miles' flag had the "X" or the St. Andrews cross on it. And Beauregard chose the one with the Saint Andrews cross.
Did you know that in the 1800's about 75% of the South were either Scotch or Scotch-Irish? The Confederate Battle Flag is based upon the national flag of Scotland.
..Did you know that the Confederate Constitution recognized the sovereignty of the Providence of God?