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Brit-Am Now no. 1394
The Lost Ten Tribes of Israel Movement
12 October 2009, 25 Tishrei 5770
Contents:
1. Derryl
Bishop: Translation of Welsh Words
2. Michelle Bowie: Recommends
NKJV
3. Benjamin: Re the Angles and Saxons,
A Criticism of Brit-Am Biblical Interpretation and Historical Understanding
Thank You. Criticism is valuable even when undeserved.
The Angles and Saxons in History.
Wikipedia
Explanations of the name "Angle".
Biblical Importance of the Sound of Names
Angle Also Means Aegel
(Bull-Calf).
4. Milesian
Kings of Ireland Traced Back to King David!
5.David McLeod: More Information on the Union Jack
6. Nathan Proud:
The Separation between Judah and Israel Has lasted a Long Time
7. Thomas Malloy:
Remark about Dan and Naphtali.
Question on Temple Mount
1.
Derryl
Bishop: Translation of Welsh Words
re Brit-Am Now no. 1393
http://britam.org/now/1393Now.html#Shelagh
#6. Shelagh McKenna: Meaning of the Name "Britain"
Hi Yair
Hag Samaech. My Welsh is passable but I have checked out Shelagh McKenna's query
re Prydain and Prydyn with two people whose first language is Welsh.
One from the North and one from the South (dialects differ) Neither they nor I
have heard of "Prydyn".
Which island is Shalagh referring to? Anglesy the island off the coast is North
Wales is called "Ynys Mon" in Welsh. Usually North Wales is called "Gogledd
Cymru" (Gogledd meaning "north" and "Cymru" being the Welsh word for Wales. If
Shelagh is referring to the north of Britain as a whole then the Welsh for
Scotland is "Yr Alban" .
Here's praying for you your family and our cause to be blessed over this Sukkot
time.
Heddwch o Gymru (Peace from Wales)
Derryl
2. Michelle Bowie: Recommends
NKJV
Re: Brit-Am Now no. 1393
Shalom Yair,
For what it's worth, I would recommend the NKJV also. I study from mainly the
KJV, HRV and reference the NASB and NKJV. Keeping the KJV due to the Strong's
and Hebrew Lexicon referencing. It always is better to study from more than one
version in English it seems to round out the meaning.....of course, wishing all
the time that all of us could study from the pure Hebrew texts.......
Blessings, Michelle b.
3. Benjamin: Re the Angles and Saxons,
A Criticism of Brit-Am Biblical Interpretation and Historical Understanding
Subject: The English as a lost tribe of Israel
Hi there,
I was reading some of the writings on your site, Britam, and feel compelled to
tell you about the origin of the name England. The country is named after a
Germanic tribe called the Angles who settled in the south east of the country,
about 1200 years ago. One of their Kings, Alfred the Great, made various pacts
or alliances with other Kings and then a wider area of land eventually took on
the name of the land of the Angles. This Angleland or England, or as the French
say, Angleterre. It has nothing to do with angles of the degree variety. Or the
ends of the earth. The name of the Angles still survives in the area of East
Anglia. There are also place-names such as Ingleton and Ingleborugh, much
further north in North Yorkshire, about 200 miles from East Anglia. Have you
not heard of the Anglo-Saxons. Also Saxony is in Germany, where the Saxons came
from. This name survives in the counties of Sussex, Wessex, Essex and the old
area of Middlesex. Sussex means South Saxon, Wessex means West Saxon, Essex,
East, etc. It is nothing to do with Isaac (I-Sax). It seems you are clutching at
straws in desperation to make the theory fit the facts, rather than the facts
fit the theory.
Thankyou
Ben
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Brit-Am Reply:
Sections:
Thank You. Criticism is valuable even
when undeserved.
The Angles and Saxons in History.
Wikipedia
Explanations of the name "Angle".
Biblical Importance of the Sound of Names
Angle Also Means Aegel
(Bull-Calf).
Thank You.
Thank you for your observations. Even though you are mistaken (as shown below)
in your criticisms it is preferable
that you have uttered them rather than keeping them to yourself.
You are apparently criticizing our explanation of the term "Angle" and have
misunderstood what we said.
This may indicate a fault on our part in not making what we were saying
sufficiently clear.
The Angles and Saxons in History.
Alfred the Great (849 - 899) was at first king of the West Saxons (not
the Angles) in Wessex.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_the_Great
There are historians who seem to suggest that to some degree in England the
terms Saxon and Angle may have been interchangeable which explains the facility
of the name England being unanimously accepted by them all.
The Angles (before coming to Britain) had been in what is now East Germany and
then moved to the region of Schleswig-Holstein and southern Denmark.
The Jutes had been to their north and the Saxons to their south.
The Saxons who invaded England were related to the Frisians of the Netherlands
and had no (or very little) connection to the area later known as Saxony in
Germany.
The place-names Ingleton and Ingleborughthat you mentioned in North Yorkshire in
association with the Angles is of interest.
In our book "The Tribes" we also show that the Angles were in this area.
http://britam.org/the-Tribes.html
You will find claims that the name Angle meant just that, "angle"
(inclination of two lines to each other) and was given to the Angles because
their land in North Germany looks angular on a map.
Wikipedia
Explanations of the name "Angle".
This is what Wikipedia says:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angles
The original noun from which this
adjective was produced has not been determined with confidence. The stem is
theorized to have had the form *Ang?l/r-.
The more prominent etymological theories concerning the name's origin have
included:
Derivation from the Latin word
angulus, translating as "angle".
The Old English word for the Baltic district of
Angeln
(where the Angles are believed to have emigrated from) is Angel. This is the
preferred etymological theory amongst historians, and may connect to Angle (the
peninsula is noted for its "angular" shape).
It may mean "the people who dwell by the Narrow Water," (i.e. the
Schlei),
from the Proto-Indo-European language root
ang-
meaning "narrow".
Derivation from the Germanic god
Ingwaz or the
Ingvaeones
federation of which the Angles were part (the initial vowel could as well be "a"
or "e").
We reject these explanations but even if they are true they do not nullify the
use we have made of the term.
Angles and the End of the Earth
The Lost Ten Tribes were prophesied as in the End Times being at the Ends
of the Earth.
Taking the Land of Israel as the Center the term End of the Earth could apply to
the British Isles along with other places.
The word England or Angle-Land or in French "Angleterre" could be understood to
mean "End of the Earth" as pointed out by Rabbi Manasseh ben Yisrael. This
REGARDLESS of what the term "Angle" actually meant when it was first used.
Biblical Importance of the Sound of
Names
The Bible (and later Rabbinic Tradition) attached importance to names
according to their sound.
We have, for instance, the city Beer Sheva.
In Hebrew "Beer" means well and Sheva can mean either oath (swear) or seven.
In fact in English the word "seven" is derived from one optional dialectical
pronunciation of the Hebrew "sheva" (seven) which could be sounded as "seven".
So too, the English word "swear" is also derived from the Hebrew "sheva" meaning
taking an oath or swearing.
Abraham [Genesis 21:30] gave the King of the Philistines, Abimelech, seven ewe
lambs
as a token of acknowledgement by Abimelech that the well belonged to Abraham who
had dug it.
http://britam.org/Genesis/Gen18to22VaYera.html
[Genesis 21:31] WHEREFORE HE CALLED THAT
PLACE BEERSHEBA; BECAUSE THERE THEY
SWARE
BOTH OF THEM.
BEERSHEBA: i.e. Beer Sheva,
The well (Beer) of Seven ("Sheba" or "seva").
...it may be that in this as in similar cases that the name of the place was
already "Beer-Sheba" but Scripture is saying that the name presages the events
that were destined to take place there.
This is a play on words: He set aside seven ewe lambs because they swore in
that place. In Hebrew seven is
sheva and swear is
shevuah.
The two words derive from the same root and sound similar. This happens
frequently in Scripture: The two different meanings of one word-root are used
together and a connection is noticed or created between them.
[Genesis 26:32] AND IT CAME TO PASS THE
SAME DAY, THAT ISAAC'S SERVANTS CAME, AND TOLD HIM CONCERNING THE WELL WHICH
THEY HAD DIGGED,
AND SAID UNTO HIM, WE HAVE FOUND WATER.
[Genesis 26:33] AND HE CALLED IT
SHEBAH:
THEREFORE THE NAME OF THE CITY IS BEER SHEBA [Hebrew:
Sheva
i.e. Beer Sheva]
UNTO THIS DAY.
The word transliterated here as
Shebah
in Hebrew is pronounced as Shevah.
The name of the city was Beer
Sheva beforehand.
The Commentators say that this was the seventh well Isaac had dug in the area.
Beer Sheva
would therefore mean the seventh well.
Previously Abraham (Genesis 21:31) had been in the region and he had given the
place the name Beer Sheba due to the giving of seven (Hebrew:
Sheva)
ewe lambs and the swearing of an oath (Hebrew:
Sheva)
that had taken place in that region.
In both cases an existing name seems to have been re-interpreted to fit the
events that took place in the location of that name.
We would suggest an additional facet to
the meaning of Sheva.
In Hebrew the root SVA
means satisfy, content.
This root seems close to the root of
Sheva.
The "S" and "sh"
can sometimes interchange.
At all events we see here an application of two word meanings for the one word
and an attaching of additional significance to a place name in accordance with
events.
Angle Also Means
Aegel
(Bull-Calf).
The name Angle in Hebrew is an alternative pronunciation of Aegel and Aegel on
the Continent was a diminutive for Angle.
Aegel in Hebrew means bull-calf.
[Deuteronomy 33:17] HIS GLORY IS LIKE THE FIRSTLING OF HIS BULLOCK, AND HIS
HORNS ARE LIKE THE HORNS OF UNICORNS: WITH THEM HE SHALL PUSH THE PEOPLE
TOGETHER TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH: AND THEY ARE THE TEN THOUSANDS OF EPHRAIM,
AND THEY ARE THE THOUSANDS OF MANASSEH.
BULLOCK or bull: John "Bull" is a nickname for Britain. England is named after
the Angles who were also known as "Aegloi".
In Ancient Northern Germanic dialects as well as in Ashkenazic Hebrew "Angle"
was another way of pronouncing "Aegel".
In Hebrew Aegel means bull-calf. Aegel is a nickname in the Bible for Ephraim,
cf. Jeremiah 31:18.
The name England (Angle-Land) may actually be considered to mean "The Land of
the Bull-Calf" i.e. the Land of Ephraim.
4.
Milesian
Kings of Ireland Traced Back to King David!
http://www.ogmium.com/clannamile/index.html
5. David McLeod: More Information on the
Union Jack
Re: Brit-Am Now no. 1393
A Brief History of the Union Jack (Flag)
http://www.amps-n-bits.com/union-jack.html
6. Nathan Proud:
The Separation between Judah and Israel Has lasted a Long Time
Hi Yair,
I was thinking about what you said concerning the differences in DNA between
Israel and Judah. You noted they have been separate for most of their history. I
would argue that is a huge UNDERSTATEMENT. If we take into consideration what
Walt Baucum argues in his Atlantis book, there have been many groups of
Israelites that have been separate from the main body of Israel for much longer
than 721 BC. If Israel began to be born around 1700 BC, then they flourished
from some 150 years (-ish) when a good amount of them were expelled by Ahmose I
(whose reign began around 1539, so say the Egyptologists) and his father Kamose.
Clearly, not all were Israelites, but they were related Hyksos rulers. Those
Israelites who left at that point under Danaus to Greece have only about 150
years in all of history (6000 years) of relationship with the main body, which
of course includes the Jews. These were the early populations with Hebrew
Pelagians in the places exiled Israel would eventually settle, take over, and
ultimately intermarry with.
Even the main body of Israel that made it to Canaan under Moses and Joshua was
rather separate from Judah. David spoke of Israel in the wilderness, calling
Israel God's dominion, Judah His sanctuary. Perhaps there was some form of union
during the times of the Judges, but even then they knew "to your tents, O
Israel" excluded Judah. Only for about a century of all 6000 years of history
were Judah and Israel united under Saul, David, and Solomon. After Solomon, they
warred with each other, practiced different religions, and even had to be
reminded that they were brothers. So even much if not most of the time in
Canaan, they weren't really united, and there probably was too much
intermarriage. Marrying within each kingdom or even tribe would accentuate
genetic differences (which is in my opinion how the races of the earth formed in
the first place). Then, of course, Israel was exiled, never to reunite with
Judah until the end. It has been nearly 3000 years since that happened. That is
HALF the existence of the earth, about 70% of the existence of the earth since
Noah, and 80% of the time since Moses led Israel out of Egypt. And when you
think of how much of the 20% left was spent in any form of harmony and hint of
intermarriage, we should almost expect Israel and Judah to have nothing to do
with each other in accentuated genetic traits. At worst, if we take the 100
years of a united kingdom, that is less than 3% of Israel's history having
plausibility of intermarriage.
Just a thought.
Nathan Proud
7. Thomas Malloy:
Remark about Dan and Naphtali.
Question on Temple Mount
You wrote;
http://www.britam.org/deuteronomy/10vezothabraca.html
[Deuteronomy 33:22]
>name was later applied to Scandinavia.
>Dan was also prominent amongst the Irish.
The Vikings regularly paid visits to Ireland where they made deposits of their
genetic material in any woman that they could get their hands on.
I like the idea of the Scandinavians being Dan and Naphili.
I'd also like your opinion on this letter which I wrote to one of my
eschatologist friends;
I've been itching to take this up with someone, and IMHO, you are qualified. It
has to do with why President Obama won the Noble Prize. Long ago I read the
writings of an eschatologist who speculated that perhaps the answer to the
problem of Middle East peace was to get the Islamists to agree to allow for a
temple to be built. The spot for this temple would be the located in the
courtyard next to the Al-Aksa mosque and would be a worship center for all
religions. It has been suggested that perhaps this is what BHO has suggested.
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Brit-Am Reply:
There are three main opinions regarding the Temple Site on the Temple Mount:
http://www.templemount.org/
The three proposed sites are:
The Temple Mount at the Dome of the Rock (Dr. Leen Ritmeyer, Dr. Dan Bahat) B
The Temple Mount to the North (Dr. Asher Kaufman) A
The Southern Hypothesis (Tuvia Sagiv) C
The opinion that it was over the Dome of the Rock (B in the aerial photo) is the
majority opinion and the one that we are inclined to though this is not our
field.
Underground sonic examinations have been made along with other examinations.
More could be done and the question probably settled if the Muslims allowed it.
Part of the attractiveness of the other theories is that they give the
impression of avoiding Muslim Mosques which it is implied will be allowed to remain alongside a rebuilt Third
Temple. It is proposed that the Temple could be built alongside these mosques so that everybody can then live happily ever after.
The Muslims however would never allow it.
I too would be against it.
To my mind such a move would be a blasphemous travesty.
It might bring Divine Wrath down upon us.
We are not on the same level as Islam.
Islam is far below us and only commands respect due to the force of terror it
employs.
Islam has no right on the Temple Mount, no right in Jerusalem, and no right
anywhere within the Holy Land.
The Muslims do not accept or respect compromises. They see them as weakness and
in this case indeed that is what such a compromise would be.
The Arab mentality would be MORE LIKELY TO ACCEPT destruction of the mosques,
prohibition of Moslem presence on the Mount, and the re-dedication of ALL the
Temple Mount to the Temple Building.
They would understand this. They might fight against it, be beaten, and then accept
it as the will of the Almighty.
Some of them would then come over to our side.
They do not understand wishy-washy attitudes.
Some things cannot be shared with others.
In the same way as a man does not (or should not) want to share things that are
solely his with another person so too with ancestral heritage.
If you offer another man something men do not offer each other you do not earn
respect or consideration but rather contempt and condemnation.
So too in the eyes of Muslims when one offers them participation in such matters
as the Temple Mount, living in and ruling over the Land of Israel or part of
it: They despise such attitudes and see them as the weakness of beings unworthy of
existence in their eyes.
If we left the Muslims something on the Temple Mount they would see it as if we
were acknowledging a strength they have as potential and take steps to realize
that potential.
Compromisation with the Arabs and Islam is responsible for most of the present
situation.
At present they have control on a day-to-day basis over the whole Temple Mount
and they do not even let Jews pray there.
Jews are allowed (against Arab wishes and by government decree) to go up to the
Mount but when they do so they are accompanied by an Israeli policeman (often a
Druse or Arab) and a member of Wakf (Arab Muslim official) who watches over the
Jew and if he sees him about to utter what appears to be prayers has the Jew
removed sometimes violently.
As far as they are concerned the Jews should not be there.
In their hearts they know that this is where the Temple was though officially
they deny it.
Consciously or subconsciously, they are waging a war against the will of the
Almighty.
The lack of a Maximalist Approach is what has brought about their strength and
our weakness.
They must go!
See:
Transfer of Arabs. Options for Survival
http://www.britam.org/hamas.html
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