YDNA: The Forefathers?



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The Forefathers? YDNA

The Forefathers? YDNA
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Human Y-chromosome DNA haplogroups
Note: The Y chromosome traces the males; mtDNA traces the females; both (in the most commonly accepted classification systems) use capital letters to distinguish one haplogroup [genetic division] from another. There is however NO connection between the two classification systems, e.g. Y haplogroup L has no connection to mtDNA haplogroup L; Y haplogroup J MAY (or may not) have some connection to mtDNA haplogroup J but if so that is entirely a coincidence and was not intended by they who decided to give the name "J" to the particular Y haplogroup or by those who classified the mtDNA haplogroup as "J".

Y Chromosome DNA World Population Tree

DNA Theory: The World Scene
Brit-Am does NOT AGREE with present DNA theory but aspects of it could be valid.
The following sketch as to what the present theory says is provided for interest sake.
You may as well know what they say.
Y-DNA =male transmitted
mtDNA (female) is a different story and is summarized in a separate article.

A |
  B |
C |     F |
DEGHIJ      K |
        LM | P |

It (says the theory) all began with A still found in Bushmen etc of Africa.
Followed by B pygmies etc of Africa
Also followed by C and F.
C gave rise to Australian Aborigines, Maoris, Ainu, etc
D and E developed from C.
D are Japanese and Tibetans.
E are Negroid Africans and  most African Americans (E3a),
as well as North African Whites, Southeast Europeans, and 20% of Ashkenazic (European) Jews (E3b).

F (which with C developed from A and B) is still found in small numbers in Indonesia, Middle East, North America.
F gave rise to G H I J  and K  which split aside.
G (East Europe and Asia), H  (India), I (Scandinavians, Germany, Anglo-Saxons, Balkans), J include about a third of the Jews, Turks, Kurds, many Caucasians,  and some elements in Balkans etc.
K gave rise to L M  and  P which split aside.
L and M are Indonesia and much of Southeast Asia with L also present in India and Middle East.
P (Asia and South America) gave rise to  N O Q R
N Finland, Russia, Siberia
O Chinese, Koreans and those Japanese who are not D.
Q is Asia and North Amerindians
R Slavs and some "Aryan" Indians (R1a), Celts and West Europeans (R1b), Cameroon Africans, some Australian Aborigines

Note: I myself am R1b, consider myself Semitic-Israelite and only hold by DNA findings  to a limited extent.
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If someone wanted to consider possible divisions of humanity along DNA lines only the most logical (according to DNA theory) would be:
1. A, B, D, E
African Peoples, North African Berbers, More than half the Japanese and Tibetans.
2. F, G, H, I, J
Caucasian Mountains, Balkans, Middle East Peoples, Indians, Scandinavians
"HG3 [haplogroup "I"] is seen more frequently on the eastern side of Europe (9% of the population of Turkey is HG3). But HG3 ["I"] is also common in Scandinavia, and is said by some to be indicative of "Viking blood" when seen in paternal lines originating in the British Isles."
3. K, L, M, P, N, O, Q, R
Indonesia, South-east Asia, Chinese, Koreans, Finland, Slavs, Celts, Basques, Amerindians
These groupings however in several cases do not fit in with most other information (and common sense) in our possession.
R1b is Western European
HG2 [R1a] is most common in Southern and Central Europe, but that haplogroup is also often seen in those of Anglo-Saxon and Scandinavian descent.

Elsewhere, We have reversed the above scenario and proposed that instead of A (bushmen etc) being the first Y haplogroup from which all others progressivley evolved, Haplogroup R (or "N") was the first and the others either evolved from it or each one independendtly was an offshoot of it.
See our article:
YDNA Reversed Were R1 and N The Forefathers?
Was Adam "R1b1c"? or "N"? Was Noah?

Note: We feel that these divisions ultimately have a geographical environmental explanation which is then carried on to a degree by hereditry.

World and Europe Haplogroup Maps
Approximations in Percentages:
Iceland  I 30R1a 15R1b 40 Q 10
Britain  I 15R1a 10R1b 75 
Spain and Portugal  I 10  R1b 60  E3b 10J 3
Germany  I 20R1a 20R1b 40   E3b 5J 5
Norway   I 30R1a 20R1b 30     
Finland  I 20R1a 15R1b 5      N 40
Russia  I 10R1a 40R1b 5   E3b 5J 3N 17
Italy   I 10  R1b 40   E3b 10 J 15 K 3

British Isles:

Approximations in Percentages:
Ireland  I 10  R1b 80E3b 2
Scotland  I 12R1a 10R1b 75E3b 1
Wales  I 16   R1b 84 
England  I 30R1a 10R1b 55E3b 2

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