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Brit-Am Now no. 1590
Movement of the Ten Tribes of Israel.

24 October 2010, 16 Cheshvan 5771.
1. Chris
Newnham: Comments, Observations, and Questions.
2. Can a DNA test show Jewish ancestry?
3. Pat Dunnagan: Doomsday Book Record.
4. Janis McK. The Case of Palestinian Christians of Jewish or Israelite Descent and "Outsiders" in General
Brit-Am Reply:
(a) The existence of non-Israelite non-Jewish Gentiles who are righteous.
(b) The existence of  Israelite descendants amongst non-Jewish non-Israelite Gentile peoples.
(c) The existence of Canaanites,
Edomites,  and non-Israelites in general amongst Israelites.
5. New Article:
Jewish Lawyers and Angle Lore
Do Anglo-Saxon Traditions Prove the Rabbinical Oral Tradition?


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1. Chris Newnham: Comments, Observations, and Questions.
Subject: Discussion Group

I have not been a part of this group for a long time but wish to join again. I remember years ago asking Yair Davidiy about the ties between ancient Hebrew and Welsh to which he gave a brilliant answer that remains on the Internet to this day.
I still have many many questions, given that the British-Jewish-Israel connection is held in such incredible contempt by so many scholars world wide, including christian, athiest, secular and so on. Jewish Scholars seem to have more accurate answers.
I also do not understand that since it can be fair to say that a goodly proportion of people of Middle east descent migrated from the Med area so many years ago, that so many scholars bristle with contempt when we try to point out that these migrations could have included 10 tribed Israel.
Are they especially sensitive to this possibility for some puzzling and obscure reason and therefore seek to justify only their own research in a way that they feel they have "cornered the truth?"
I welcome any discussion on these points.
From Chris Newnham

2. Can a DNA test show Jewish ancestry?
Shalom Yair:

A friend of mine suggested I take a DNA test. 

Here's the situation.  I suspect I have ancestors as recently as my grandparents, both deceased since 1986, who were Jewish.  The thought occurred recently that my my paternal grandparents were Jews but didn't know it because of fears from several generations before them.  My paternal grandparents were from Norfolk Co., England.  I once read that the county seat, Norwich, was the place where the "Blood Libel" myth began.   That may have been as recent as the 1600s though I will have to look this up again. 

What do you think about a DNA test?  Would it be able to indicate if my paternal grandparents were Jewish?


Brit-Am Reply:
No DNA test can tell you if anybody was or was not Jewish.
In some cases you can put your DNA markers in an online DNA search engine and see what family names have similar DNA to your own. If you find Jewish Families amongst those similar to yourself this may give you a lead for further research. On the other hand such evidence needs to be treated with caution.
Jews are very interested in genealogy and DNA so results for Jews are better represented than most other groups.

3. Pat Dunnagan: Doomsday Book Record
 Re: Brit-Am Now no. 1589

my family is in the Doomsday Book ( Bennett )  mean's  Asher  -  the blessed .  they come from a little town just S.W. of  Glasstonbury  about 20 miles .  in between the two town's are the lead and tin mines that they worked in. it is all documented.

4. Janis McK. The Case of Palestinian Christians of Jewish or Israelite Descent and "Outsiders" in General
Janis McK. wrote:


I have been reading some of the information you have on your website concerning the Palestinians and their relationship to Israel.  For several months I have been researching my grandparent's heritage and thought you might be able to provide a unique perspective, if you are so inclined.

Quick background- I'm American and my mother is of mostly British (some Dutch, some French, some Scottish, etc) descent and her ancestors have lived in the US for hundreds of years.  So according to your research would be part of the lost 10 tribes.  My father's parents are from Palestine.  They are Greek Orthodox Christians who moved to Honduras in 1947 and the US about 10 years later.  Their families have lived outside of Bethlehem for hundreds of years.  They consider themselves Arabs, yet they do not believe there were ever any Muslims in their family tree.  Their village has remained Christian through the centuries.

I wanted to learn more about their background for several reasons.  One- I'm a born again believer who wants to know the truth about how my ancestors fit into the land of Israel and God's promises.  Two- I hope by learning more I can use it as a tool to witness to my elderly grandparents (they are faithful attenders to their church, but do not have a saving relationship ...).  Three- I never felt my grandparents looked "Arab", and wanted to learn more about the meaning of the term.  My grandmother is very fair and could easily pass for French, Northern Italian, etc.  My grandfather has green eyes, light hair, and looks more Jewish.  Most Americans I know, don't believe me when I tell them my father's side of the family is "Arab"!  They also are starting to forget the problems they had with the Muslims when they were young and are now siding with them for the land. It would be nice to explain to them from a biblical standpoint, where they fit into the situation in their homeland.

We decided to delve into the history of their town and then back it up with DNA testing.  I have been told they the families have lived in an isolated village (Beit Sahour) since the 1600s, only intermarrying within their group.  Before this, we believe my grandfather's family came from Syria (left because of the intolerance of the Turk's & the Ottoman empire) and my grandmother's family from Jordan.  We have been told that there is a Ghassanid Christian connection and these people intermarried the Greeks, Romans, and Jewish converts to Christianity living in the area, and later on possible Crusaders, other Europeans, and Arabs.  This would make them a very "mixed" group of people that became "Arabized" with the Muslim conquest when Arabic became the language and the culture.  Thus, they associate with being Arab in culture, but genetically, could be very little of actual Arab.

DNA testing showed a European base for my grandmother's mtDNA with matches predominantly in England.  This was very surprising to us!  Her father's side for the Y-dna was "Levantine Semite", as was my grandfather's.  His mother's side was J2- northern fertile crescent.  The matches for the Y-dna came back mostly Jewish.  One of the closest for my grandfather was actually a Rabbi, much to his dismay.  The closest matches with more markers came back to show my grandfather & great-uncle were only off by a few markers, which would back up the theory of the intermarrying within the group.  I've been told by one of the Jewish scholars behind the site that they were probably Jewish originally and then were forced to convert to Christianity to stay on the land. 

What happened to the first Christians?  Could they have truly been converted (and not forced) and where did these Jewish Christians go?  As time went on and they intermarried other Christians, is it possible they forgot their Jewish roots?

Who was living in Israel before the 1600s?  I wonder if my ancestors who were living in nearby areas chose to move there because it was originally their homeland?  Of course, I would love to know that I was descended from the first, original Christians, but the truth is what matters most.  Seems very unlikely that a group of people could remain Christian through the ages and not be converted to Islam.  It's a shame that their faith now is mostly superficial and tradition.

As you know, Christians are a very small minority in Palestine.  After reading the above, I would appreciate any insight you have to offer.

Thank you so much for your time,
Janis McKellar

Brit-Am Reply:
You have more or less answered your own questions with the information you supplied.
Your letter brought up the following points of importance:

(a). The existence of non-Israelite non-Jewish Gentiles who are righteous:
The Bible is the word of God. reading the Bible with an open heart makes it obvious that Judah and Israel are the Chosen People. Their good is the will of the Almighty and for the good of the world. There are non-Israelites who recognize this. The Almighty will surely reward them. Some of them will remain were they are and be requited by the Almighty for their righteousness. Others may become attached to Israel as prophesied in the Bible.

Ezekiel 47:
22 It shall be that you will divide it by lot as an inheritance for yourselves, and for the strangers who dwell among you and who bear children among you. They shall be to you as native-born among the children of Israel; they shall have an inheritance with you among the tribes of Israel.

Non-Israelites who have settled amongst the Tribes of Israel, identified with us and shared our trials and tribulations alongside us will be considered as the same as us. They will be part of whatsoever Tribe of Israel they will have dwelt amongst.    

(b) The existence of  Israelite descendants amongst non-Jewish non-Israelite Gentile peoples:
The Bible says that the Lost Tribes will be concentrated in certain nations and give expression to their Israelite Traits on a national level.
[The Jews however and descendants of Judah in general will be scattered all over the world.
Isaiah 11:
12 He will set up a banner for the nations,
And will assemble the outcasts of Israel,
And gather together
the dispersed of Judah
From the four corners of the earth.

We use Ephraimite criteria (that on the whole work well) to determine which nations are substantially of Israelite origin.
Ephraimite Criteria
Our justification for identifying a people as descended from Israelites is based on the Bible substantiated by historical studies.
When one gets down to the nitty-gritty details it is always a case of some Israelites remaining outsiders with outsiders coming in.
In order to make sense of what is happening the historian has to concentrate on the general majority to obtain an overall picture.
Divine Providence will ensure that the end result will bring everything together.


(c) The existence of Canaanites, Edomites,  and non-Israelites in general amongst Israelites.
In some cases these could be the numerical majority.
Some of these will be pro-Israelite and pro-Jewish. Others will not.  Their presence is something we should be aware of.

5. New Article:
Jewish Lawyers and Angle Lore.

Do Anglo-Saxon Traditions Prove the Rabbinical Oral Tradition?
Introduction.- Jewish Lawyers and Shylock.
(a). Jews from Judea Amongst the Anglo-Saxon Hosts?
Franks (
Auzon Runic) Casket.
(b). Talmudic-Type Traditions in English Lore?
(c) The Questions
i) Church Influence?
Why only in England?
(ii) Did Jewish Refugees from Romans Become Anglo-Saxon Warriors?
(iii) A Common Hebrew Heritage of Jews and Anglo-Saxons?

Doug Weller  once briefly raise the possibility that the early leaders of the Anglo-Saxons or the Jutes were of recent Jewish origin being perhaps descended from Judaeans whom the Romans had defeated and maybe then shoved into Europe.

The Ten Tribes of Israel would once have kept these laws.
The northern Ten Tribes under King Jeroboam separated from Judah (1-Kings 12:20).
They set up golden calves in Beth-el and Dan (1-Kings 12:28-29).
They cut themselves off from Judah. The Levites amongst them fled to Judah (2-Chronicles 11:13).
The Ten Tribes practiced idolatry and went in the ways of the pagan nations around them (2-Kings 17:15-17).
They were punished by being conquered and exiled en masse by the Assyrians (2-Kings 17:6, 18:11).
They were taken  away and lost consciousness of their Israelite Ancestry.

Nevertheless our studies show that in their language, customs, traditions, something remained of their Hebrew Past.
The same could well apply to traditional legal traditions that eventually found expression in English Common Law.

If this should prove to be the case and it be shown that the parallelism is not the result of some other factor then conclusions may be drawn with widespread implications.

It would be yet another proof that the British and their kinfolk are descended from the Lost Tribes of Israel.

It would also be proof for the antiquity of Talmudic Tradition going back to Biblical Times.

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