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Brit-Am Now no. 1390
The Lost Ten Tribes of Israel Movement
21 September 2009, 3 Tishrei 5770
Contents:
1. More Defenders of an Ephraim Nation and a Company of Nations. Brit-Am Replies Yet Again.
(a)
Sandie B:  The Special Addition
(b) Charlotte Mecklenburg: Both Ideas are Right but Joseph is Especially Suitable
(c) Nathan Proud:  A Nation and a Company of Nations are part of the Birthright and Joseph Received the Birthright!
2. What is the Difference Between Brit-Am Beliefs and those of Anglo-Israel-ism?
3. Brit-Am and the New Testament
4. Murray
Allatt: A Nation and a Company of Nations as seen from Australia
5.
Tessa from New Zealand Supports Brit-Am!

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1. More Defenders of an Ephraim Nation and a Company of Nations. Brit-Am Replies Yet Again.
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(a) Sandie B:  The Special Addition
 RE: Brit-Am Now no. 1389

Yair - i agree with Steve also. But did note, which i would assume as scholarly types,  you and Steve would have also noticed: there are different Hebrew words used but translated as the same word in the texts. Became much clearer when i used the Hebrew as i studied both texts. The pattern i noticed was that chpt 48 is talking more about numbers filling the earth.  Israel recalls the blessing given him by Abba in chapter 35, it is in regards to a "kahal" of nations. And then (chapter 48) he talks of the nation and multitude of nations being their blessing and he also passes his name on to the boys, via their father Joseph, and gives the blessings they will have.
 
So, what did Israel pass on to the sons of Joseph in his blessing? This was different than what is said for all the sons in chapter 49, as Steve points out.
 
We easily see the influence and leadership Ephraim and Manashe have displayed in the world. I would see that as part of the blessing, and responsibility they were given.

In peace sandie b. 
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(b) Charlotte Mecklenburg: Both Ideas are Right but Joseph is Especially Suitable
Re: Brit-Am Now no. 1389

Regarding the Nation and a Company of Nations.

It looks like both ideas are right. In Chapter 35 it can be anticipating the nations that will come through Jacob as well as the nations that will come through Joseph. After all is not Joseph from Jacob. Any nation or nations that come from the 12 no matter who or what they are, are from Jacob and of course Israel specifically is the singular nation where as the nations plural is all of those that have come from all 12 tribes. The prophecy that Jacob gives specifically to Joseph is easily interpreted the way Steven Collins has done it.

The make up of God's peoples is far more complex than we can unravel at this time.
But isn't it fun to look and think about the Word of God.

Charlotte Mecklenburg   char@gmail.com
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(c) Nathan Proud:  A Nation and a Company of Nations are part of the Birthright and Joseph Received the Birthright!
Subject: Brit-Am #1389

Yair, you say that Genesis 48:4 is directed to Joseph. That isn't right. Jacob is speaking to Joseph, telling him what God had told him (Jacob). I don't see it as fair to apply the nation of Genesis 35 to Judah since he had nothing to do with the birthright. That birthright was first given through Abraham in Genesis 17 when his name was changed from Abram, for he would become the father of many nations. Isaac of course was the only recipient of that birthright, and Jacob both bought and stole everything that could have been potentially Esau's by birthright. The birthright belonged exclusively to Joseph (I Chronicles 5:2), which is only in part that nation and multitude of nations promised specifically in Genesis 35 to Jacob. There is obviously more to it. In a nutshell, no patriarch other than Joseph was promised a nation, although some of them obviously have received their own nations, some even several from a certain point of view (e.g. Dan having several, Judah, Benjamin, Reuben, etc. having one each). So even though Joseph is told Manasseh would become a great people and Ephraim a fullness of nations, not having the specific wording of Genesis 35, the nation and company of nations cannot possibly apply to anyone else. Judah therefore is not the single nation and the ten tribes are not the company of nations. From Judah came the leader (I Chronicles 5:2), so he is the recipient of the Davidic dynasty, but the birthright belonged to Joseph alone. The other tribes of Israel are blessed with the blessings of Abraham, very specifically with the blessings of Genesis 49 and Deuteronomy 33.

Nathan Proud
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Brit-Am Replies:
In order to reply we need to summarize in our own terms the arguments of (a) Sandie B,  (b) Charlotte Mecklenburg, and (c) Nathan Proud.

(a) The Special Addition
Sandie B says:
Genesis 35 speaks to Jacob of a Nation and a Company of Nations.
This may be considered something extra, special, in addition to what he had already been promised as inheritor of his forefathers.

Genesis 48 gives something special and extra to Joseph with an expression that may be interpreted to mean a nation and multitude of nations.

Genesis 49 has Jacob bless all the Tribes with Joseph amongst them. The Tribes here receive the Promises that Jacob had received from his forefathers.

It follows that the something special given to Joseph in Genesis 48 must have been the Nation and a Company of Nations  Jacob received in Genesis 35.

(b) Both Ideas are Right but Joseph is Especially Suitable
 Charlotte Mecklenburg says:
It is true that Genesis 35 (a Nation and a Company of Nations) is given to Jacob (not Joseph alone) but Joseph is from Jacob and Joseph is a singular nation also referred to as a Company of Nations.

(c)  A Nation and a Company of Nations are part of the Birthright and Joseph Received the Birthright!
Nathan Proud says:
In Genesis 35 a Nation and a Company of Nations was promised to Jacob who passed the Birthright onto Joseph therefore  a Nation and a Company of Nations applies to Joseph especially since Joseph is expressly promised (in Genesis 48) a Nation (Manasseh) and a fullness of nations (Ephraim). Even though a fullness of nations may not be the same wording as a Company of Nations it is close enough under the circumstances to be considered the same.

Regarding Joseph inheriting the Birthright we have traced and acknowledged this in our article:
Geneaology of the Blessings to Israel
http://www.britam.org/GeneaologyofBlessings.html
Genesis 35 speaks to Jacob of a Nation and a Company of Nations.
It does not speak to Joseph.
The something special that Jacob gave to Joseph in Genesis 48 may be summarized by he having both his sons recognized as tribes in their own right the double portion of the firstborn.

In addition Jacob said:

"The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: they shall be on the head of JOSEPH, and on the crown of him that was separated from his brethren" (Genesis 49:6).

In other words more of the same (that was received from the father and that also be given to the brothers) but multiplied many times over.
The interpretation of Malo HaGoyim as Multitude of Nations in my opinion DOES NOT fit the Hebrew.
Anyone who says otherwise should bring parallels from scripture were such an expression is used in that way.
They are not there!

What does Genesis 48 say:

[Genesis 48:2] AND ONE TOLD JACOB, AND SAID, BEHOLD, THY SON JOSEPH COMETH UNTO THEE: AND ISRAEL STRENGTHENED HIMSELF, AND SAT UPON THE BED.                    
 
[Genesis 48:3] AND JACOB SAID UNTO JOSEPH, GOD ALMIGHTY APPEARED UNTO ME AT LUZ IN THE LAND OF CANAAN, AND BLESSED ME,
 
[Genesis 48:4] AND SAID UNTO ME, BEHOLD, I WILL MAKE THEE FRUITFUL, AND MULTIPLY THEE, AND I WILL MAKE OF THEE
A Company of Peoples; AND WILL GIVE THIS LAND TO THY SEED AFTER THEE FOR AN EVERLASTING POSSESSION.

Here Jacob recalls the Almighty appearing to him at Luz. This is the same as Beth-el (Genesis 28:19) and Beth-el is where the Promises of Gensis 35 were given!
[This apparently could strengthen the case of those that say that the blessing of Genesis 35 were to go to Joseph in Genesis 48].
In Genesis 48:4 above we have replaced the expression A MULTITUDE OF PEOPLE (of the KJV) with A Company of Peoples since the Hebrew says Kahal Amim and parallels A Company of Nations (Kahal Goyim) in Genesis 35:11.
In Genesis 35:11 a Nation and a Company of Nations is promised and in Genesis 48:4 the blessing opens up with a parallel to Company of Nations only!

Jacob (Genesis 48) promised Joseph that:
He would be a Company of Nations.
His two sons would be recognized each as separate tribes in their own right and the other sons of Joseph would be included within them.
The blessing of his forefathers would be multiplied many times over and given to Joseph.
Manasseh would also be a nation but Ephraim have all nations of the earth being in need of him and he would rule over them.

Despite everything there is not enough in Genesis 48 to attribute Nation and a Company of Nations of Gensis 35 to Joseph.
There is enough to attribute to him only the Company of Nations section.
To Sandie b. (a) we would reply that we agree that something special and extra is promised to Joseph in Genesis and that it could be associated with the blessing of Genesis 35 (a Nation and a Company of Nations) but only to part of it i.e. the Company of Nations  part.

We identify Joseph mainly with the English-speaking nations i.e. Britain, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, and the USA with possibly offshoots in Ireland and South Africa and elsewhere. These peoples are widely recognized as one cultural and ethnic unity sharing common history, culture, and values and usually in the international sphere working together or at least in such a way as they complement each other. The other Israelite Nations that we recognize include Switzerland, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Iceland, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland.
These nations in effect are emulators of Joseph in so far as they share similar values and culture and in some way or other act similarly to the way Joseph does. Joseph is their leader. In Biblical Terms the term Joseph is also applied to them. They are the companions of Joseph in Ezekiel 37.

Judah on the other hand THROUGHOUT THE BIBLE is separate from Joseph.
Judah has its own task.
The future re-union is between Judah (Ezekiel 37) and Joseph.
It is not between Joseph and his brothers.
Joseph is already assumed to be leading his brothers and they are spoken of as attached to him.

[Isaiah 11:12] HE WILL RAISE AN ENSIGN FOR THE NATIONS, AND WILL ASSEMBLE THE OUTCASTS OF ISRAEL, AND GATHER THE DISPERSED OF JUDAH FROM THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH.          
[Isaiah 11:13] THE JEALOUSY OF EPHRAIM SHALL DEPART, AND THOSE WHO HARASS JUDAH SHALL BE CUT OFF; EPHRAIM SHALL NOT BE JEALOUS OF JUDAH, AND JUDAH SHALL NOT HARASS EPHRAIM.

[Ezekiel 37:16] MOREOVER, THOU SON OF MAN, TAKE THEE ONE STICK, AND WRITE UPON IT, FOR JUDAH, AND FOR THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL HIS COMPANIONS: THEN TAKE ANOTHER STICK, AND WRITE UPON IT, FOR JOSEPH, THE STICK OF EPHRAIM AND FOR ALL THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL HIS COMPANIONS:       
[Ezekiel 37:17] AND JOIN THEM ONE TO ANOTHER INTO ONE STICK; AND THEY SHALL BECOME ONE IN
THINE HAND.

[Ezekiel 37:22] AND I WILL MAKE THEM ONE NATION IN THE LAND UPON THE MOUNTAINS OF ISRAEL; AND ONE KING SHALL BE KING TO THEM ALL: AND THEY SHALL BE NO MORE TWO NATIONS, NEITHER SHALL THEY BE DIVIDED INTO TWO KINGDOMS ANY MORE AT ALL.

The only two distinctions are between Judah and Joseph.
The term in Genesis 35 (a Nation and a Company of Nations) fits Judah and Joseph.
This is an answer to Charlotte (b).

At the very beginning of the blessing to Joseph in Gnesis 48 he is defined as A Company of Peoples (Hebrew: Kahal Amim) paralleling A Company of Nations (Kahal Goyim) in Genesis 35:11.
Manasseh is defined as a nation that is in effect a part of this Company of Nations.
The term a Nation and a Company of Nations is not applied to Joseph.
This is an answer to Nathan (c).

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2. What is the Difference Between Brit-Am Beliefs and those of Anglo-Israel-ism?
From: Kerry Bulls
RE: Brit-Am Now no. 1389
#4. A Short Introduction to Yair Davidiy and Brit-Am
http://britam.org/now/1389Now.html#A

Dear Yair,

G-d bless you for your service to Israel in the IDF.  I am curious as to what you see the difference being between the doctrine of Anglo-Israel-ism and what Brit-Am believes?

I always find your writing very fascinating as I envy your knowledge of Jewish affairs and the Old Covenant scriptures. Thank you for your time.

Chaplain Kerry Lance Bulls
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Brit-Am Reply:

(a) IDF Service:
I mentioned my IDF Service since it was important for me and people find it interesting.
I served for 18 months regular service and after that annual service (of about a month each year) for most years over a ca. 20 year period.
At various times I served in Sinai, Samaria, and Lebanon and ended my service with the rank of sergeant.
My most active and latest service was as an Infantrymen attached to the Armoured (Tank) Corps.

For peoples in my age group who came to Israel when I did there is nothing unusual about this.
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(b) Differences Between Brit-Am Beliefs and those of Anglo-Israel-ism.
By Anglo-Israel-ism you mean British Israel type beliefs.

The Brit-Am Ten Tribes Movement puts more emphasis on the Hebrew Bible and Historical Researches directly concerned with the issue as to whom the Lost Ten Tribes today are.

All other considerations we relate back to this issue and see everything from its perspective.
We attempt to avoid being side-tracked.
We work towards a greater understanding between Judah and Joseph and their future re-union.
We support the State of Israel.
We work to enhance Biblical Consciousness.

We emphasize more the aspect of Judah and come from a more Judah-involved perspective.
Nevertheless we realize the importance of encouraging Ephraimites to relate more to their specific ethnicity and Tribal allocations.

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3. Brit-Am and the New Testament
From: Pastor James PS Templeton <jamestempleton123@btinternet.com>
Subject: Using your articles
Organization: Emerald Isle Ministries

Dear Yair, I am pleased to use your articles which I always post to my group. I wondered whether you would consider making use of the New Testament as well as it also supports identity. This is just a thought as in the Brit-Am Now no. 1389 you mentioned Herbert W. Armstrong?s influence and this would have included the New Testament. I feel that your influence would be greatly increased if there was a Christian element. Perhaps you would consider prophesies fulfilled by the [Christian] Messiah. I know you have written about two Messiahs which is interesting but only one can be the true Messiah. You strongly support Christianity as a good influence to Israelites so may have no objection to my suggestions. I will continue to post your articles. I am retired but continue to support the Identity cause. Yours Very Sincerely, Jim Templeton
 
Pastor James Templeton,
Flat 1, Lawnfield Court,
Donard Park,
Newcastle,
County Down,
Northern Ireland.
BT33 0SE
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Brit-Am Reply:

Our use of the term Messiah or "Messiahs" for future leaders of Judah and Joseph need not contradict belief in a Messiah who will resolve all religious issues one way or the other.
It is a matter of terminology that we borrowed from elsewhere.
We attempt not to relate to the New Testament since this is not our field and not part of our message.
Supporting
"Christianity as a good influence to Israelites" is not the same as agreeing with it.
We see Christianity as a tool of Divine Providence through which the Lost Ten Tribes will be enabled to return.
This understanding of ours is consistent with Biblical and Jewish Sources by which Yair Davidiy personally attempts to conduct himself and that Brit-Am is obligated not to go against.
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4. Murray Allatt: A Nation and a Company of Nations as seen from Australia
Note: We received the letter below after we received the three letters in item #1 above
and after we had written replies to them.

From: Murray Allatt <murray139@ozemail.com.au>
Re: Brit-Am Now no. 1389
http://britam.org/now/1389Now.html#Steven
#1. Steven Collins defends an Ephraimite
NATION AND A COMPANY OF NATIONS. Brit-Am Reply

Hello Yair,

 With respect to this question of "nation and company of nations" discussion.
True Genesis 35:11 pertains to Jacob ( whose name was changed to Israel).

It is obvious that Jacob's offspring (all 12 tribes) have grown into nations (or peoples). As you say, "Judah", the Jews, take in not only Judah but Benjamin and a good part of Levi. So on it's face when we look at what happened to the tribes of Israel each of the tribes has grown into a nation in it's own right. Not surprising. That is what tribes of all ethnicities have done.

But going to your comment on Gen. 35: 11, you say,

"A NATION AND A COMPANY OF NATIONS in Genesis 35:11 is a promise  given to Jacob i.e. to all Israel".

It is a prophetic promise that has great significance in the fulfillment of God?s promises to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Israel).

What you have not dealt with (nor has Steven Collins) is Gen. 48:16.

"The Angel that redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads (Ephraim and Manasseh); and LET MY NAME (ISRAEL) BE NAMED ON THEM, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them (Ephraim and Manasseh) grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth." That has prophetic significance. Many, many prophecies pertaining to Israel in fact pertain largely to Ephraim and Manasseh (and to the other ?lost? tribes of Israel only to lesser extent). Then there are separate prophecies for Judah.

In any event, it seems from then on, the blessings of Jacob (Israel) were to be largely the blessings of Ephraim and Manasseh (now collectively having the name of Jacob (Israel) named on them,  including that of becoming a nation and a company of nations of prophetic significance so far as the national blessings bestowed upon Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Israel). As you comment, Gen. 35:11 is a promise given to Jacob (whose name was changed to Israel) and who passed his name, (and I would maintain the major blessings he had been given, of which Gen 35:11 was plainly major) to the two "lads" upon whom he named his name - Israel., as well as the names (and blessings) of Abraham and Isaac.

That the other tribes received a blessing each and would also be "nations" is plainly set out in Gen.49. But only Ephraim and Manasseh would become a company of nations and a great single nation. You realize that all of these blessings pertain to prophecy and in particular the fulfillment of God's promises to Abraham ,Isaac and Jacob (Israel). Only the nations of Ephraim, Britain and her confederate countries (Australia, New Zealand and Canada, and perhaps South Africa before rule change) fulfilled that.

I note that Strong (H4390) also allows that "multitude" in Gen. 48:19 can mean "handful" and that Strong's No. H1471 ' allows "nations" as well as "people" (in the sense of nation). See below.

mel-o', mel-o', mel-o'
From H4390 ; fulness (literally or figuratively):? X all along, X all that is (there-) in, fill, (X that whereof . . . was) full, fulness, [hand-] full, multitude.

H1471

go'ee, go'-ee
Apparently from the same root as H1465 (in the sense of massing); a foreign nation; hence a Gentile; also (figuratively) a troop of animals, or a flight of  locusts: Gentile, heathen, nation, people.

I would be interested in your take on the fact Israel (Jacob) named his name on "on the lads". It does seem significant.

Obviously this is a little rushed but I think there is something else needs to be explored and explained.

Regards

Murray Allatt
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Brit-Am Reply:
Murray points to Ephraim and Manasseh being called after the name of Jacob and his forefathers.

Genesis 48:15] AND HE BLESSED JOSEPH, AND SAID, GOD, BEFORE WHOM MY FATHERS ABRAHAM AND ISAAC DID WALK, THE GOD WHICH FED ME ALL MY LIFE LONG UNTO THIS DAY,
 
[Genesis 48:16] THE ANGEL WHICH REDEEMED ME FROM ALL EVIL, BLESS THE LADS; AND LET MY NAME BE NAMED ON THEM, AND THE NAME OF MY FATHERS ABRAHAM AND ISAAC; AND LET THEM GROW INTO A MULTITUDE IN THE MIDST OF THE EARTH.

Murray takes this as implying that the main blessing to Jacob (Israel) should devolve on Ephraim and Manasseh.
This blessing should (implied Murray) include becoming "A NATION AND A COMPANY OF NATIONS" (Genesis 35:11).

We have interpreted the blessing to have the "names" called on them in both a literal and literate sense. In  a literal sense we have shown how names derived from Hebrew (after Abraham the Hebrew), Isaac, and Jacob were indeed historically and at present applied to groups we identify as descended from Joseph.
Celtic Iberi and the Hebrews
http://www.britam.org/Proof/Attributes/roleHebrew.html

In a literate sense we agree with Murray that calling the name of the fathers on the children means having aspects of the fathers being much more pronounced in the children than might otherwise be the case.

Nevertheless this still does not detract from our reasoning in item#1 above as to why "A NATION AND A COMPANY OF NATIONS" (Genesis 35:11) applied to Judah and Joseph and not to  Manasseh and Ephraim alone.

Joseph is A COMPANY OF NATIONS, i.e. A COMPANY OF NATIONS encompasses Manasseh and Ephraim together and by Biblical historical implication all the rest of the Lost Ten Tribes as well.

Murray also pointed to interpretations of the Hebrew words goi (nation, people) and malo meaning fullness.
These meanings are important because of the expression "malo haGoyim" or literally "fullness of the peoples" in Genesis 48:16 where the KJV translates the term as A MULTITUDE OF NATIONS.

[Genesis 48:19] AND HIS FATHER REFUSED, AND SAID, I KNOW IT, MY SON, I KNOW IT: HE ALSO SHALL BECOME A PEOPLE, AND HE ALSO SHALL BE GREAT: BUT TRULY HIS YOUNGER BROTHER SHALL BE GREATER THAN HE, AND HIS SEED SHALL BECOME A MULTITUDE OF NATIONS.

We went to the Iben Shushan "Concordantsia Chadasha" (New Concordance) and looked Malo up.
There were hundreds of entries.
The root of the word is MLA.
Iben Shushan classifies the entries for this word under different headings:
a. Full all the space.
b. Fill up till no room is left.
c. Complete, finish.
d. Encompass everything there.
e. Confirm, establish, enable.
f. Complement.
g. Filled up.
h. Gather together.


Matityahu Clark (Etymological Dictionary of Biblical Hebrew based on the Commentaries of Samson Rafael Hirsch) gives the following meanings:
being full; fulfilling duties; having full value; satisfying; equipping; conferring authority; having everything; gathering; produce-filled field;
etc.

We see that the word "malo" may have different meanings dependent on the context.
We have given it our own interpretation in accordance with our understanding of the Hebrew and consistent with the Classical Commentatories.

http://britam.org/Genesis/Gen47to50VaYechi.html
"HIS SEED SHALL BECOME A MULTITUDE OF NATIONS" (Genesis 48:19): In Hebrew "malo hagoim" or literally the fullness of nations.
Onkelos translates this as saying that his seed will rule over the nations.
Iben Ezra says it means that many peoples will emerge from him.
Brit-Am understands the expression to mean that other nations will be dependent upon him for their very existence or derive their existence from him.
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5. Tessa from New Zealand Supports Brit-Am!

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Re: Brit-Am Now no. 1389

Shalom Yair

I have just read Brit Am Now 1389 and wanted to clarify your references to me in it. I have copied below what I had sent to you a few days ago.

You will see that I do not share Steven Collins' understanding - rather I agree with your view except that Genesis 48:4 is Jacob's recollection of the promise to him and not directed to Joseph as you have indicated.. Basically I think Genesis 48:4 and 48:19 indicates two sets of 'a nation and a company of nations' not just one. I can see why Steven has come to his understanding but think it requires too much interpretation to be considered as applying to Joseph only. Why would the Almighty tell Jacob in Genesis 35 (before he had any children) the fate of only one of them?

As I thought, the whole matter is easy to get tangled up in but hope it is now clear that I subscribed to your position.

Blessings - Tessa
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Re Brit-Am Now 1387: A NATION AND A COMPANY OF NATIONS

Genesis 35:11 is a promise that Jacob will give rise to 'a nation and a company of nations' which would appear to be Judah (Northern Kingdom) and Ephraim (Southern Kingdom) respectively. Genesis 48:4 also clearly refers to the progeny of Jacob not Joseph. Jacob is relating to Joseph the words spoken by the Almighty to him (Jacob). Jacob would become a 'company of peoples' - all 12 tribes (plus Ephraim and Manasseh).

Then Genesis 48:5 begins the prophecy for Joseph (not his brothers). Verse 19 shows that Manasseh will become 'a nation' and Ephraim 'a multitude of nations'.

While there appears to be a repeat of the original blessing in 35:11, similar terminology confuses the situation and these are two separate prophecies in my opinion.

Prophecy 1: Jacob will become a nation (Judah/2 tribes) and a company of nations (10 tribes) - the stick of Judah and the stick of Ephraim as Ezekiel describes it.
Prophecy 2: Joseph will become a nation (Manasseh) and a company of nations (Ephraim) - together they are the stick of Ephraim with the other 8 tribes as above.

Therefore Prophecy 2 is only about Joseph and is a subset of Prophecy 1.

Whilst it is relatively easy to identify Judah's stick today, we simply
don't know exactly who belongs in the stick of Ephraim. It's probably an exaggeration to suggest that the USA is Manasseh although he may well be found hidden within the nation of the USA. Similarly, Ephraim may well be found hidden within the British Commonwealth nations but not all BC subjects are Ephraimites.  The stick of Ephraim is still not in clear view as the stick of Judah is. When the stick of Ephraim is visible, it will embody 'the nation' Manasseh, the 'company of nations' Ephraim plus the 8 other tribes who are not part of Judah's stick.

Hope that hasn't muddied the waters even further!

Blessings - Tessa

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Brit-Am Reply:
Tessa supports Brit-Am!
The reasoning of Tessa is similar to our own.
Genesis 35 is general and applies to all Israel and here we have the blessing A NATION AND A COMPANY OF NATIONS.
Genesis 48 is specific and deals with an aspect of Genesis 35 and here Joseph is expressly referred to as a A COMPANY OF NATIONS!

Tessa took the KJV as it is written
"HIS SEED SHALL BECOME A MULTITUDE OF NATIONS" (Genesis 48:19).

Tessa took A MULTITUDE OF NATIONS as meaning just that and still came tot he same conclusion as Brit-Am.
We however re-interpreted this expression making it less pertinent to our overall considerations.

We apologize to Tessa for having lost her previous e-mail and attributing to her an  opinion she did not hold.
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 [Amos 3:6] SHALL A TRUMPET [Hebrew: "
Shofar"] BE BLOWN IN THE CITY, AND THE PEOPLE NOT BE AFRAID? SHALL THERE BE EVIL IN A CITY, AND THE LORD HATH NOT DONE IT?                     

[Amos 3:7] SURELY THE LORD GOD WILL DO NOTHING, BUT HE
REVEALETH HIS SECRET UNTO HIS SERVANTS THE PROPHETS.

 [Amos 3:8] THE LION HATH ROARED, WHO WILL NOT FEAR? THE LORD GOD HATH SPOKEN, WHO CAN BUT PROPHESY?








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