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Brit-Am Now no. 1358 Ten Tribes
June 29 2009, 22 Sivan 5769
Contents:
1. David Jackson:
"the US and all Israelite nations will come to their senses"
2. Question on the
Khazars, Simeon, and Manasseh
3. A Case of Missing Verses in Different versions of the Bible
4. Geoffrey Cooper: TRIBES OF ISRAEL
5. Are the United States, Britain and Judah all Turning Against Each Other?
6. Kim
Weatherston:
Brit-Am Message "more cogent and spiritually insightful"
7. The Implications of the Brit-Am Ten Tribes Message


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1. David Jackson: "the US and all Israelite nations
will come to their senses"
From: David Jackson <djackson22@verizon.net>
RE: Brit-Am Now no. 1357 Ten Tribes
#4. Stephen Spykerman: More on Civil War and Manasseh versus Ephraim
http://britam.org/now/1357Now.html#Stephen


Hello Yair, Stephen,
I don't think there is a need to apologize when sincerely debating scripture.  I'm often in error too.  That's how we learn.  The only reason I brought up the history of past battles between Manasseh and Ephraim is that it goes to my point that I can't conclude that Isaiah 9 was pointing to recent history. 

Certainly we all agree than one of the warnings is that M and E should stand together with Judah and that we'll all suffer if we don't.  My hope and prayer is that somehow the US and all Israelite nations will come to their senses and support Israel.

Sincerely,
Dave




2. Question on the Khazars, Simeon, and Manasseh
Yair,
In "The Khazars. Tribe 13" chapter Three you quote Jewish sources based on 1-Chronicles 4:38-42 that claim that the Bible describes elements from the Tribe of Simeon under the leadership of Princes from Manasseh  going to Khazaria and becoming the Khazars.
I find this difficult to accept.
Apart from that however, your book is interesting and very detailed.
It makes a good case for the Khazars having been of Israelite origin.
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Brit-Am Reply:

This is what the sources say:
 [1-Chronicles 4:38] THESE [from the Tribe of Simeon] MENTIONED BY THEIR NAMES WERE PRINCES IN THEIR FAMILIES: AND THE HOUSE OF THEIR FATHERS INCREASED GREATLY.
 
 [1-Chronicles 4:39] AND THEY WENT TO THE ENTRANCE OF GEDOR, EVEN UNTO THE EAST SIDE OF THE VALLEY, TO SEEK PASTURE FOR THEIR FLOCKS.
 
 [1-Chronicles 4:40] AND THEY FOUND FAT PASTURE AND GOOD, AND THE LAND WAS WIDE, AND QUIET, AND PEACEABLE; FOR THEY OF HAM HAD DWELT THERE OF OLD.
 
 [1-Chronicles 4:41- AND THESE WRITTEN BY NAME CAME IN THE DAYS OF HEZEKIAH KING OF JUDAH, AND SMOTE THEIR TENTS, AND THE HABITATIONS THAT WERE FOUND THERE, AND DESTROYED THEM UTTERLY UNTO THIS DAY, AND DWELT IN THEIR ROOMS: BECAUSE THERE WAS PASTURE THERE FOR THEIR FLOCKS.
 
 [1-Chronicles 4:42] AND SOME OF THEM, EVEN OF THE SONS OF SIMEON, FIVE HUNDRED MEN, WENT TO MOUNT   SEIR, HAVING FOR THEIR CAPTAINS PELATIAH, AND NEARIAH, AND REPHAIAH, AND UZZIEL, THE SONS OF ISHI.
 
 [1-Chronicles 4:43] AND THEY SMOTE THE REST OF THE AMALEKITES THAT WERE ESCAPED, AND DWELT THERE  UNTO THIS DAY. 
 
Talmud (Baba Batra 123,b) Ishi was of the Children  of Manasseh as it says, 
 AND THESE WERE THE HEADS OF THE HOUSE OF THEIR FATHERS [of Manassseh] , EVEN EPHER, AND ISHI [1-Chronicles 5:24].
The Book of Chronicles in the verses above, in effect tells us that there were two major movements of Simeon. One movement was to the Plains of Gedor  formerly possessed by Hamites. The second movement was initiated by 500 men under the sons of Ishi. The second movement was a continuation of the first. It involved "THE SONS OF ISHI":  According to the Talmud (Baba Batra 123, 300-500 CE) "the sons of Ishi" were descended from Ishi who is listed later (1-Chronicles 5:23-26)?amongst the Princes of half Manasseh east of the Jordan who were taken into Exile by the Assyrians. The men of Simeon led by the sons of Ishi went northward. They had placed themselves under the leadership of the sons of Ishi who were a Princely Family of the half-tribe of Manasseh. The father of this family was listed amongst the Princes of Manasseh who in the exile of the Northern Israelites were taken to "HALAH, AND HABOR, AND HARA, AND TO THE RIVER GOZAN" [1-Chronicles 5:26].  Rabbinical Tradition linked this movement of Manasseh-led Simeonites to the foundation of the Khazar nation.

 [1-Chronicles 5:23] AND THE CHILDREN OF THE HALF TRIBE OF MANASSEH DWELT IN THE LAND: THEY INCREASED FROM BASHAN UNTO BAALHERMON AND SENIR, AND UNTO MOUNT HERMON.
[1-Chronicles 5:24] AND THESE WERE THE HEADS OF THE HOUSE OF THEIR FATHERS, EVEN
EPHER, AND ISHI, AND ELIEL, AND AZRIEL, AND JEREMIAH, AND HODAVIAH, AND JAHDIEL, MIGHTY MEN OF VALOUR, FAMOUS MEN, AND HEADS OF THE HOUSE OF THEIR FATHERS.
 [1-Chronicles 5:25] AND THEY TRANSGRESSED AGAINST THE GOD OF THEIR FATHERS, AND WENT A WHORING AFTER THE GODS OF THE PEOPLE OF THE LAND, WHOM GOD DESTROYED BEFORE THEM. 
[1-Chronicles 5:26] AND THE GOD OF ISRAEL STIRRED UP THE SPIRIT OF
PUL KING OF ASSYRIA, AND THE SPIRIT OF   TILGATHPILNESER KING OF ASSYRIA, AND HE CARRIED THEM AWAY, EVEN THE REUBENITES, AND THE GADITES, AND THE HALF TRIBE OF MANASSEH, AND BROUGHT THEM UNTO HALAH, AND HABOR, AND HARA, AND TO THE RIVER GOZAN, UNTO THIS DAY.
So far the Khazars are not mentioned but Simeon being lead by Princes from Manasseh are.
Later (but still very early) sources identify these Simeonites and Princes from Manasseh as the Khazars.
We tend to think that the interpretation given to these verses is a correct one.
However even if it is not it still shows that a tradition linking the Khazars with Simeon and Manasseh existed from the earliest sources we have. The Khazars themselves believed in it!
We have additional evidence showing that Simeon and Manasseh were amongst the Khazar people.
Whether or not the verses in 1-Chronicles do really refer to the Khazars is a secondary consideration as far as "The Khazars. Tribe 13" is concerned. The main point is that such a tradition existed and this tradition reinforces other evidence.
See:
 "The Khazars. Tribe 13" p.74
##Whether these 500 really did found the Khazar nation or not is largely irrelevant. The point is that Khazar traditions, early Jewish reports, and the writings of their Gentile neighbors all recall the belief that the Khazars were descended from Israelites Tribes with Manasseh and Simeon usually being mentioned.##




3. A Case of Missing Verses in Different versions of the Bible
Bob Briggs wrote:
 

Greetings Yair,
 
You mentioned in your email on ?Parshat Korach? that your KJV version is missing verses 14 through 28 for Numbers 17.

http://www.britam.org/numbers/5korach.html
 

You then mentioned that you have quoted those verses from the Jewish translation of the Masoretic text; however, they are missing also from your email?your chapter 17 ends with verse 13, as it does also in the KJV. You then immediately move to chapter 18.
 
Are we are to understand, perhaps, that verses 1-15 of Numbers 18 should have instead been numbered 14-28 and added to chapter 17, and that the remaining verses of chapter 18 (16-32) should have been numbered 1-17 instead? In other words, was this simply a variant chapter break by the translators of the KJV, and in actuality all of the verses are accounted for in these two chapters?

Regards,
Bob Briggs
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Brit-Am Reply:
Yes.
You are correct.
We will be altering the relevant notice from our Commentary to Korach
http://www.britam.org/numbers/5korach.html
It should be pointed out that the chapter numbering used in our Jewish Masoretic text is itself of Christian origin. The Hebrew original has its own divisions that are quite different.
In the New Koren editions the original divisions are given alongside the conventional Christian ones.
So too in The Living Torah by Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan the traditional Hebrew divisions are given alongside the Christian ones.

The particular Christian division (why this version and not another, I do not know) used by the Jews is found only in the Printed book texts.
Anyway the particular Christian division used by Jews differs in our portion from the King James.

In my Jewish version chapter 16 ends at 16:35.
We then have chapter 17 which corresponds with the KJ 16:36-50 AND THEN CONTINUES.
The KJ chapter 17 corresponds with 17:16-28 in my version.
From chapter 18 they return to synchronization.




4. Geoffrey Cooper: TRIBES OF ISRAEL

The people of the UK are in fact the Tribe of Jacob, thats why our flag 'THE UNION JACK' was originally the union of JACOB.
 The Americans are predominantly 'THE TRIBE OF MANNASA'.
 Cheers,
 Geoff   (ENGLAND - EPHRAIM)



5. Are the United States, Britain and Judah all Turning Against Each Other?
From: Sightedmoon <admin@sightedmoon.com>
re: Brit-Am Now no. 1357 Ten Tribes
#4. Stephen Spykerman: More on Civil War and Manasseh versus Ephraim
http://britam.org/now/1357Now.html#Stephen

Shalom Yair,

I have been following the lead of Stephen Spykerman about Manasseh and Ephraim. We had also talked of this over a year ago, so your current dicussion was of interest.
Then today in the Trumpet.com was the following article which I found interesting from its point of view.
I share it with you.
Shalom
Joseph F Dumond
www.sightedmoon.com
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stephen flurry | columnist

The Tie That Binds

Even those who don't follow theTrumpet.com can see from newspaper headlines that the brotherhood nations of the United States, Britain and Israel are, even now is in the midst of an astonishing free fall from their former positions of world dominance. Coinciding with this precipitous decline in world power and influence is the unraveling relationship that once bound these three brothers so tightly together. The Prophet Isaiah described this dramatic unraveling: "Manasseh shall devour Ephraim, and Ephraim Manasseh; Together they shall be against Judah ." (Isaiah 9:21, New King James Version).

This is clearly happening before our eyes.

Earlier this week, the United States concluded a deal that allowed four Guantanamo detainees to settle in the British colony of Bermuda, without first telling British officials about the arrangement. According to the Independent, Whitehall officials accused the United States of treating Britain "with barely disguised contempt." It quoted one senior official as saying, "This is not the kind of behavior one expects from an ally."

Even as the United States and Britain exchange blows with one another, both of them remain united in their contempt for Israel. President Obama's Cairo speech perfectly summarized Washington's renunciation of any special relationship it once had with Israel.

Britain has followed a similar course for some time now. In December, Gordon Brown wrote a letter to the Palestinian Authority prime minister to express his "frustration" over the settlement activity. That same month, the British government issued an advisory warning to British citizens telling them not to purchase property in East Jerusalem, the West Bank or the Golan Heights-territories 10 Downing Street envisions as a future Palestinian state.

In Israel, the advisory was viewed "as the latest in a series of less-than-friendly steps toward Israel" (Jerusalem Post).

Yet, despite the unraveling ties that once bound these three brothers together, all three nations are inextricably linked together by another end-time prophecy, which points to our simultaneous downfall (Hosea 5:5). Both prophecies, in fact, are closely related. For the weakening of those once mighty ties that bound together the United States, Britain and Judah is only making our peoples more vulnerable to the threat of invasion by ascending world powers!




6. Kim Weatherston: Brit-Am Message "more cogent and spiritually insightful"
From: Weatherston
To: Yair Davidiy-We are thrilled to read all the articles you have posted on the web! This has been an interest of mine since studying history at Rhodes in early 70s.. .Now in Australia, we are still connected with our love for Israel and the Jews- ...Currently my husband, Martin & I are base for Shoresh Australia (CMJ) and run a small home fellowship (Zebulun Home Fellowships Inc) on top of our professional lives, thus the late hour for reading and research. Your work confirms the truth known in the "heart" and is more cogent and spiritually insightful than other stuff I have read over the years. Will get to order your books in due course.
Many blessings on you and yours, Shalom
Kim Weatherston
Geraldton WA
Australia



7. The Implications of the Brit-Am Ten Tribes Message
The Lost Ten Tribes are amongst Western Peoples. Western Peoples including citizens of the USA must fact the implications, examine the evidence, realize what they are and who the Brit-Am Ten Tribes Messages says their ancestors were.
This is a new reality that must be confronted.
It evokes the need for greater Biblical Consciousness, adoption of Biblical Values, Realization of new responsibilities and liabilities on the national and personal levels, a need to support Jewish settlement in the Land of Israel alongside at some stage a need for Western colonization of relevant Middle East areas.






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