Brit-Am Now no. 1316
March 16 2009, 21 Adar 5769
1. Questions Concerning the Messiah son
2. Brian Patmore:
Torah Intended for all mankind!
3. David Tempelhoff
: We Are in Capitivity!
4. Charlotte Mecklenburg: Cannot Keep the Law Due to Prior Commitment!
5. Robert: Friend says "The
Khazars. Tribe 13" is
1. Questions Concerning the Messiah son
I have questions concerning the Moshiach ben Joseph from the
Brit Am perspective. This person will obviously get his authority from the
Almighty. I have learned he will ultimately suffer death, and this will be a
very sad event, but during his tenure will he be recognized by both Judah and
Joseph? And will He also be anointed to perform miracles?
My Jewish friends have told me they must do certain things in order
to merit Moshiach, Must we also merit his coming, if so, what can we do to bring
this about more speedily, if anything?
My opinion, right or wrong, has been one of frustration towards Christianity,
but at the same time I am sympathetic. I feel there has been ample evidence to
explain the purpose of Christianity to the adherents of Brit Am beliefs on your
I have found the Brit Am site to be an uplifting and encouraging place to visit,
and we are thankful for it.
(b) Answers to the Questions
(c) Brit-Am Sources on Messiah Son of Joseph
I have attempted to answer your questions below after first having indulged in a
rather lengthy foreword.
(a) MBJ is not a figure from the Bible at least not someone expressly mentioned.
In the Talmud and Rabbinical Sources he is mentioned briefly.
He is something of a legendary figure and not someone whose existence is
established by authority.
If someone said they did not believe in MBJ it would be no big deal from the
Jewish point of view.
A Jew however who said they did not believe in the Messiah son of David could be
accused of denying an Article
of Faith and going against the Bible.
There is a great difference between belief in the Messiah son of David and the
Messiah son of Joseph.
It is important to keep this distinction in mind. One can believe almost
whatever one wants about MBJ and no-one
can really say whether your are wrong or right.
Some conceive of MBJ as a real person who will appear in the End Times.
Others emphasize more the notion that MBJ represents an historical process.
Brit-Am accepts both approaches.
MBJ in our understanding represents a real person who will come in the End Times
and lead or begin to lead the Lost Ten Tribes back.
MBJ also represents the age in which we live.
In this age the forces of Joseph meaning primarily Britain and the USA have been
assisting Judah to return and rebuild the Land of Israel.
Religious Zionist Thinkers have also accepted the concept of MBJ.
For them MBJ represents the Zionist Movement especially its secular aspects.
They say that Theodor Herzl who founded Modern Zionism was a kind of prototype
Present day Zionism is building the Land, Ingathering the Exiles, and preparing
the Material Infrastructure
for a future Kingdom that will be inherited by Messiah son of David when he
The Messiah son of David will provide the spiritual force and return to
religious values that will be needed.
According to this school the death of MBJ represents the end of the secular
material aspects of Zionism.
By praying that MBJ should not die they intend that the secular and religious
aspects should be combined.
MBJ is not always associated with the Lost Ten Tribes.
Some time ago I heard a tape from a Rabbi (whose name I forget) who answered a
question by claiming that no-where in
the sources is MBJ linked with the Lost Tribes.
This is incorrect.
In the earliest sources (e.g. Targum Yehonatan on Exodus 40:11, Zohar Chadash,
Balak 56b) MBJ is represented as a Prince of Ephraim or of Joseph
and so too in other sources where it is strongly implied that MBJ will be at the
head of the Lost Tribes of Israel
or part of them.
The Malbim (1809-1879 CE) emphasizes that MBJ will lead the Ten Tribes in the
##Our Sacred Sages had a tradition that in the beginning [of the End Times]
there would arise a Messiah [i.e. Anointed Saviour] from the House of Joseph who
will reign over the Ten Tribes. He will wage wars and all of Israel will be
gathered together under his banner. [This will continue] until later on, a
descendant of David will appear and he will reign over them....
Various verses in the Prophets concerning the Ten Tribes and Joseph in the End
Times are associated with MBJ.
##A transformation will take place. The Ten Tribes and the stick of Joseph will
draw themselves closer unto the stick of Judah, and this too, will be through
the agency of a Prophet and by miracles##. The Commentary of "Malbim" on
There is the book "Kol HaTor" ("Voice of the Turtledove") by Rabbi Hillel
Shaklover which deals in detail with MBJ.
This work is attributed to a disciple of the Vilna Gaon (Rabbi Eliyahu from
Vilna 1720-1797). It was discovered at a late date.
Claims have been made that this book is a forgery invented by Religious Zionist
Whatever the case internal evidence shows the work to be consistent with the
teachings of Rabbi Eliyahu of Vilna
and with Biblical exegesis.
Brit-Am was the first to show the relationship of MBJ as depicted in the book "Kol
HaTor" and other sources
with identification of the Lost Ten Tribes with the English-speaking peoples and
We spoke of this in detail in our book, "Joseph. The Israelite Destiny of
Certain Christians have tried to associated MBJ with the Christian Messiah.
The idea is that since MBJ as if to dies to atone for sins he parallels the
whose father was also named Joseph. The idea however of a saintly person
suffering or dying to save others
is a well-known them and in Isaiah chapter 53 the whole Jewish People is
depicted as such a "suffering servant".
A certain ministerial pair recently adopted the name "Kol HaTor" for an agenda
of their own.
English translations of "Kol HaTor" are available, one of them on the web.
Yedid Nefesh -Kol HaTor
Other works especially those of a Kabbalistic or philosophical nature also deal
In the past MBJ was mentioned often by certain Hassidic and other Rabbis and in
he is being recalled and discussed more and more.
Messiah ben Joseph
Ramchal on MBJ
(b) Regarding your questions:
Whether MBJ will die or not is not certain. It is considered more of a
possibility that may be averted.
At all events the Mashiach ben David will possibly at first join up with him and
then later succeed him.
Mashiach ben David may take over altogether or he may merely take the major role
with MBJ continuing to
Both the Gift of Prophecy and miracles will return in the Messianic Period and
MBJ is associated with it.
MBJ will be recognized as the Leader of Joseph and initiate the re-unification
of Joseph with Judah.
Concerning the idea of hastening the Messiah this is indeed praiseworthy.
Mainstream Juaism however does not emphasize this.
We ourselves in our way may be considered to be occupied with matters concerning
Messiah but we do not emphasize it consciously.
We understand the purpose of Chrisatianity to be to prepare the Lost Ten Tribes
for their future role in World History.
(c) Brit-Am Sources on the Messiah Son of Joseph
MOSHIACH BEN YOSEPH
Moshiach ben Joseph and the Lost Ten Tribes.
The Messiah son of Joseph in Jewish Sources.
Proof concerning the identity of the descendants of Joseph and their present
Messiah Son of Joseph and Manasseh
New BAMBI Broadcasted Messages about Messiah son of Joseph
Torah Intended for all Mankind!
From: Brian Patmore <email@example.com>
Re: Brit-Am Now no. 1315
Regarding Torah, from my readings of scripture and commentaries The Almighty
intended Torah for all mankind.
The nation of Greater Israel was meant to learn and keep the Torah and then take
it to all the world.
I personally cannot find a part of scripture that states that Israelites, not in
THE LAND itself, do not really have to keep Torah.
Torah is meant to be kept by "all our generations" and "for ever !!"
Please let me know where my studies so far are wrong. What scriptural references
do you have ?
I know that our ancestors, when they entered the land under Joshuah and the
instructions of Moshe, had to treat that year as a Sabatical Year and start
counting for the dates of the various feasts set down by The Almighty.
But, with the moon observations from Jerusalem, the Torah can be observed
regarding the feast days in accordance with scripture.
Down Under, we keep these sacred days, the Shabbats, etc as best we can
Mate, any assistance you can give would be most appreciated.
It is clear from the Bible that all Peoples of the Earth are expected to fear
the Almighty God of Israel.
In the Messianic Era the Messiah son of David will rule over the whole earth.
[Zechariah 14:16] AND IT SHALL COME TO PASS, THAT EVERY ONE THAT IS LEFT OF ALL
THE NATIONS WHICH CAME AGAINST JERUSALEM SHALL EVEN GO UP FROM YEAR TO YEAR TO
WORSHIP THE KING, THE LORD OF HOSTS, AND TO KEEP THE FEAST OF
All peoples will be expected to come to Jerusalem at the feast of Succoth.
This indicates that some kind of set religious observances will be compulsory
This however concerns the Time of the Messiah which will be different from our
In our time the God of Israel can only be accessed through being acknowledged as
the God of Israel.
Non-Israelites can (and should) pray to God and be answered but they can only do
so by acknowledging
HIM as the God of Israel.
[1-Kings 8:53] FOR THOU DIDST SEPARATE THEM FROM AMONG ALL THE PEOPLE OF THE
EARTH, TO BE THINE INHERITANCE, AS THOU SPAKEST BY THE HAND OF MOSES THY
SERVANT, WHEN THOU BROUGHTEST OUR FATHERS OUT OF EGYPT, O LORD GOD.
[Exodus 33:16] FOR WHEREIN SHALL IT BE KNOWN HERE THAT I AND THY PEOPLE HAVE
FOUND GRACE IN THY SIGHT? IS IT NOT IN THAT THOU GOEST WITH US? SO SHALL WE BE
SEPARATED, I AND THY PEOPLE, FROM ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE UPON THE FACE OF THE
[Exodus 33:17] AND THE LORD SAID UNTO MOSES, I WILL DO THIS THING ALSO THAT
THOU HAST SPOKEN: FOR THOU HAST FOUND GRACE IN MY SIGHT, AND I KNOW THEE BY
See recent talks we gave on this matter:
The Golden Calf and the God of Israel
and the Choseness
1-Kings:8 The Supplication of Solomon on
Behalf of Israel
Non-Israelites were never expected to keep the Torah.
It was for Israelites only.
The question remains as to how good is the proof that you are an Israelite?
How applicable is it to you on an individual bases?
Read our article:
"Joseph and the Law.
have to Keep the Law of Moses in our time as distinct from the End Times?"
: We Are in Capitivity!
From: David Tempelhoff <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: Re: Brit-Am Now no. 1314
To weeks ago I was reading King Solomons Prayer of blessing on the Temple.
I was struck by the fact that we who believe we are descendents of the Lost 10
tribes are actually in Capitivity.
We are lost. More lost than we know.
Our forefathers rebelled and worshiped idols and turned away from Him.
He split up the tribes for good. Even after delivering them from their enemies
in spectacular fashion----Jehosaphat, Hezikiah
I think He had had enough.
They ( our forefathers) mixed the G-d of Isreal with the foreign gods. They
created confusion and G-d did what he said he would do. He took them into
We are still mixing truth with pagan teaching and doctrines and making God
jealous by not keeping His commandments. Thats why we are lost.
I dont think there will be a return until there is repentance. I know my heart
is hard and needs to be softened.
'......We have sinned and done wrong, we have committed wickedness"; and
when they return to You with all their heart and with all their soul in the land
of their enemies who led them away captive, and pray to You toward their land
which You gave to their fathers, the city which You have chosen and the temple
which I have built for Your name: then hear in heaven....." 1 Kings 8vs 46
We need to pray for mercy from G-d that He will soften our hearts.
" they bowed their faces to the ground on the pavement, and worshiped and
praised the LORD, saying:
"For He is good, For His mercy endures forever." 2 Chronicles 7:2-4
4. Charlotte Mecklenburg: Cannot Keep
the Law Due to Prior Commitment!
Re: Brit-Am Now no. 1315
I can not speak for others but I would like to speak for myself. There is
nothing more I would like to do than keep the teachings of the covenant. But
what would appear as a hit or miss by you is seen this way by me: The Jews say
that sacrifices are not needed for atonement. Only confession of sin and
accepting the forgiveness of God is necessary. What God wants is an honest
contrite, open heart not sacrifices. Well, in that case, then the whole system
of the teachings in the covenant are subject to question. If this is the case
then what the Levitical system of teachings is all about is a matter of
understanding the intent behind the physical manifestation of keeping these
teachings. In other words, why do I put God's word on the door post of my house
and on the gates of my property? Why do I abstain from lighting fire on Shabbat.
I can keep do these acts until God shows me the significance of it or I can say
to God, I don't want to mindlessly do these things and end up not having an
honest heart before you, so teach me the meaning so that I can do these things
with the kind of heart you want me to have. Now Judaism is good because it can
teach us the manner of keeping these law but I don't sense that I ever get a
good answer as to what these things mean. Does Judaism give what these actions
As a result, I just keep asking God to show me what I am really doing. If I put
his word on my doorposts etc. what does it represent. He has given me an
answer, and so I have put them on my doorposts of my house in the U.S. ...But in
this manner I am working on having the right attitude and view that God wants me
to have regarding his law. Maybe when I get this right then what Judaism has to
teach will complete what is needed in keeping the law in a manner that is in
keeping with what God has in mind.
In Jeremiah 3 he promises to give us good shepherds that will impart wisdom and
understanding. I am looking forward to that day. Right now most Rabbis don't
want to come near us non-kosher Gentiles unless we want to convert totally and
that means rejecting the Mashiach that has brought us thus far. I can't go
there. If some can that is fine, God will do what he can in the way he can with
each individual. It is one thing to redeem and bring salvation to Israel but
if the individuals in the group are not totally on board with God the nation
will need to call out for salvation again. We keep praying for Israel according
to what God wants.
I do hope this helps you to understand where some of us are coming from on the
issue of the law.
Regarding sacrifices etc I did not quote follow you.
We do not offer sacrifices at present because we cannot. If we could we would be
obliged to do so.
There are reasons for everything and we are commanded to try and understand what
Nevertheless even if our understanding fails us we are still obligated to obey.
You imply that you would be open to keeping the Law if you could do so without
having to deny
the Christian Messiah.
In the Messianic Era things will sort themselves out.
In the meantime we all should do what we can according to our own understanding.
5. Robert: Friend says "The
Tribe 13" is fascinating!
I wanted to thank you for the copy of the book, "The Khazars. Tribe 13", My friend who is
Orthodox Jewish has had it for two weeks, and tells me it is fascinating! He
tells me he is spending every spare moment reading. Robert
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