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>>>Recently we had a
meeting with an Ephraimite
He said that Ephraimites have already heard from Yair Davidiy and
Steven Collins about their ancestry.
They have read the books. Now they want more.
They do not wish just to keep hearing lectures.
They favor an emotional approach.<<<
my impulse, both emotional and intellectual is; "there is no Ephriamite
leader who can speak for me in such terms", ...how ever one chooses to look at it.
That's perhaps the hardest, and only thing left. While we are brothers, we have religious differences, and it is those differences that ultimately separate us. we need some way to reconcile this, and i know its not gona be easy considering the bloody, stupid, evil record of the christians in history. My, indeed any of yours, only consolation is the Word of our Almighty Father, who has in no uncertain terms condemned and judged the both of us, both houses, Judah, and Joseph. It is worth mentioning here He has also saved us both and its time, in spite of all the human blindness's to see, it is the same Almighty who tends both flocks. Who else but the Almighty could work such a miracle in the midst of such a blood thirsty, ruthless, ignorant world? Could there have been an America or Great Briton who rose to such heights out of the bloody, muddy mire of Europe after that old beast Rome fell? What was the key to their success? Surely it was the words of the Torah, and the prophets of ancient Israel as faithfully, and miraculously preserved for all these generations. Who gave Judah the strength, and perseverance to hold out in the insanity of this world, until they could be taken back home? Our Almighty Father is working a great miracle here before our eyes, and who is it who isn't satisfied? Who is it... which Ephraimite demands more? Certainly it isn't I.
Despite the fact the christians have misapplied, misunderstood, and all to often perverted the Scriptures to their own ends, who among us (either house) is not guilty of the same? Who can speak with the Almighty's authority, who can save us, who can heal us, who can bring us back to the destiny He has in store for us?
Isa 11:13 Then the jealousy of Ephraim will depart, And those who harass Judah will be cut off; Ephraim will not be jealous of Judah, And Judah will not harass Ephraim.
As far as the evidence of our, us barbarians, true place on this earth as sons of Israel there is no more convincing evidence than this.
Yair, I have done extensive web searches using Webcrawler. Without exception, all references to Hammurabi, INCLUDING The Jewish Encyclopedia, put Hammurabi and the Code of Hammurabi at the same date, around or just after 1800BC. I have been totally unable to find a single reference giving any other date. At the moment I cannot open either The Soncino Talmud,or Encyclopedia Judaica to check for exclusively Jewish references.
Peronally, I put no credence on them influencing the laws of Moses, because Moses is the basis of a covenant, not a code. In fact, Deuteronomy 4:5-9 puts this law above all other laws for both justice and wisdom. In so doing, it recognises that there were other codes, but they are, by these words, dismissed as both inferior and unjust, and not wise.
Regarding the children of Joseph, I would make the following points.
First, Ephraim and Manasseh became full tribes. Each received a portion of the land.
Second, there never was a tribe of Joseph, which is a fair indication that Joseph had no further sons. Since they were about 20 years of age at the time of Jacob's blessing, it would appear logical that he already had all his sons by that time. You do mention that a scribe SPECULATES that Joseph had other sons, but there is no evidence for this.
I note that you refer to discrepancies in the genealogies between Chronicles, and the other historical books. Chronicles was written after the return from Babylon, and specifically states, "The records are ancient."
I am pressured for time at the moment and it is years since I did research on the subject.
Nevertheless by going through Askold I. IVANTCHIK, "Les Cimmeriens au Proche-Orient", Switzerland, 1993
one will find evidence along with examples of the Assyrians describing contemporary events in terms of ancient happenings.
This towards the end appears to have become part of their religion.
It was something they did all the time.
It means that the whole of Assyrian history and that of other Mesopotamian polities (based on inscriptions from Assyrian libraries etc) should be re-written.
The following excerpts show that what knowledge we have of the Code of Hammurrabi is based on copies.
A fairly complete copy of the Code of Hammurabi, carved on a black stone, was found in 1901 at Susa, in what is now Iran. There are many similarities between this code and the later Mosaic Law. The 285 laws of Hammurabi were arranged under the headings of personal property, real estate, trade and business, family, injuries, and labor. The code protected the weak and had many enlightened laws, but it also provided for retaliation and for barbarous punishments. The following is probably the best-known law:Note the phrase,
If a freeman destroys the eye of another freeman, his eye shall be destroyed. If anyone breaks a freeman's bone his bone shall be broken. If a freeman knocks out the tooth of a freeman of his own rank, his own tooth shall be knocked out.
The most important of all the Hammurabi inscriptions is without doubt that found at Susa, containing his code of laws. This inscription was brought to light on the acropolis of Susa by J. de Morgan, at the head of a French archeological expedition, as a result of excavations carried on in December and January, 1901-02. The laws are inscribed in forty-four lines on a block of black diorite 2.25 meters in height, and constitute the most valuable known monument of Babylonian culture, the oldest document of the kind in the history of human progress.... This monument stood originally in the sun-temple of Ebabarra at Sippar. Thence it was carried to Susaby the Elamite conqueror Shutruk-Na unte in 1100 B.C. From a statement in the inscription it appears that a duplicate of the stone codex was erected in the temple of E-sagila at Babylon. Fragments of a second copy have been found in Susa itself. Four fragments of a copy in clay made for Assurbanipal's library are preserved in the British Museum. The code is a collection of decrees, which, however, do not constitute a legal system as generally understood. Private and criminal law are not separated. The transitions are arbitrary and lack any logical principle of succession. Paragraphs 128-194 are especially noticeable, containing regulations concerning marriage, family possessions, inheritance, and adopted children.What we therefore have is a copy of an inscription alleged to have been written before 1100 BCE (but maybe not) and a few other copies that were made centuries later.
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