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Brit-Am Now no. 1120
Contents:
1. Paul Andree: Another Scripture
2. New Article:
 The Divine Promises to David:
Were they Unconditional?
3. Questions on Scripture and the Destined Location of descendants of David and the Ten Tribes
(a) Where is the Appointed Place?
(b) Multitudes Descended from Levi and David and will they all return to the Land of Israel?
(c) Will the Ten Tribes all return to the Land of Israel or have they ALREADY Received their Inheritance?
4. Yet Another Question on Tea
Tephi?
5. Our Looming Destiny?





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1. Paul Andree: Another Scripture
Subject: Re: Brit-Am Now no. 1119
Hello Yair,

Here is another scripture to go along with 'The Jews are Judah"

Isa 44:5 One shall say, I am the LORD'S; and another shall call himself by the name of Jacob; and another shall subscribe with his hand unto the LORD, and surname himself by the name of Israel.

May God Bless your ministry

Best Regards,
Paul Andree


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Brit-Am reply: We understood the verse quoted (Isaiah 44:5) as referring to the lost Ten Tribes acknowledging their identity.
http://www.britam.org/isaiah/Isaiah41to45.html#44

They will return and reclaim their inheritance and acknowledge their Israelite descent.



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2. New Article:
 The Divine Promises to David:
Were they Unconditional?

http://www.britam.org/Kings/1Kings2.html#Divine


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3. Questions on Scripture and the Destined Location of  descendants of David and the Ten Tribes
(a) Where is the Appointed Place?
(b) Multitudes Descended from Levi and David and will they all return to the Land of Israel?
(c) Will the Ten Tribes all return to the Land of Israel or have they ALREADY Received their Inheritance?


The Questions:
From: Fred Hendrickson
Subject: Re: 1-Kings 2: Part One (Questions from Fred Hendrickson)
Dear  Yair!
 
I appreciate very much your email messages, however, I note that you omitted Verse 10 of 2 Samuel 7 tof Nathan's prophecy hat reads as follows:  "Moreover, I will appoint a place for My people Israel, and will plant them that they may dwell in a place of their own and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as before."
 
  As you now, 1 Chronicles 17:9 essentially says the same thing: "Also I will ordain a place for My people Israel, and will plant them, and they shall dwell in their place and shall be moved no more; neither shall the children of wickedness waste them any more, as at the beginning." 

I call Nathan's prophecy God's "Relocation Plan" as in David's time all the 13 tribes of Israel (God's My people Israel) were living in the fullness of their Genesis 15:20-21 Promise Land.  God certainly did not mean that God's My people Israel would be planted back in the fullness of their seven (7) land of Canaan Promise land--rather they were to be planted in an appointed and ordained land of their own somewhere other than back to their original Promise land.

Also 1 Chronicles 17:17 and 2 Samuel 7:19 6 state: "And this was yet a small thing in thy sight, O Lord God, but Thou hast spoken also of they servant's house for a great while yet to come."--meaning the house one of David's sons was to build was not to be built in Solomon's time, but in a future time, "for a great while yet to come." 

Additionally, 2 Samuel 16:16 declares: and thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee; thy throne shall be established for ever.--as verse 13 declared, "He (a future son of David) shall build a house for My name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom for ever.

I realize that you do not want to engage in such possibilities, however, would you please explain how Solomon fulfills this prophecy in light of the revelation that such "house" building for "My name" would not happen "for a great while yet to come"  Additionally, Steven M.Collins believes, as I believe you do, that the phrase "My name" applied to the birthright blessing God bestowed upon Ephraim and Manasseh in Genesis 48:11-20.

Also, later you cite Jeremiah 33 as fulfilling the return of the Jews (Judah) to their original homeland.  I am wondering how 12+/-million Jews can fulfill Jeremiah 33:24 that declares of David's seed:  "As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured, so will I multiply the seed of David, My servant and the Levites who minister unto me."  Also, as previously related, God's promise to David was his seed would be planted in a homeland of their own--meaning somewhere other than their original homeland.  While I greatly respect your insight regarding the Ten Tribes of Israel, does not the above explain why they will never return to the homeland presently occupied by the Jews?

I greatly appreciate the Jews as being part of the whole house of Israel that Ezekiel 37:11-28 speaks of.  I admire my brothers. the Jews, and their return to their original Promise Land and the capturing of Jerusalem. Presently, as you know it is about 7,500 square miles which is hardly enough land to accommodate all 12 million Jews, even more of Judah that might not be called Jews, let alone the 1.2+/- Billion Israelites who are Caucasians of Celtic-Saxon/Germanic descent that probably includes a large number of the house of Joseph who according to Genesis 48:16 fulfill this promise of God that says:: ". . . and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth."     Certainly, all of Ephraim and Manasseh cannot return to their original Promise Land as they have no now number in the hundreds of millions as you and Collins point out they are a major presence in the Isles of Britain, America/Canada, and Australia, as well as elsewhere in the earth!!!  Do they not fulfill Nathan's prophecy as they have been planted in an appointed home of their own (in the west)???
 
I would appreciate you comments, if you have time!  I realize that you cannot respond to all your emails.
 Many Blessings upon you and your ministry!!!
 Fred Hendrickson, J.D.
Redmond WA 98052



Brit-Am Replies:
(a) Where is the Appointed Place?
Brit-Am Answer:
You said that,
"you omitted Verse 10 of 2 Samuel 7 "
This is not so. You have failed to check the Brit-Am Commentaries to Scripture on our web-site.
 We briefly explained 2 Samuel 7:10 in our Commentary to the Books of Samuel.
We said:
http://britam.org/2samuel-7.html
[2-Samuel 7:10] MOREOVER I WILL APPOINT A PLACE FOR MY PEOPLE ISRAEL, AND WILL PLANT THEM, THAT  THEY MAY DWELL IN A PLACE OF THEIR OWN, AND MOVE NO MORE; NEITHER SHALL THE CHILDREN OF  WICKEDNESS AFFLICT THEM ANY MORE, AS BEFORETIME,            
This verse was quoted by one of the first Puritan founders of a settlement in North America.  This verse too has been taken as indeed referring to a future refuge identified with North America. 

All of this however and your own additions are no more than "expositions" and similar to Rabbinical Exegesis or Midrash.
The difference is that Rabbinical Exegesis (Midrash etc) usually expands from something that is referred to more explicitly elsewhere and/or it also corresponds with an accepted tradition.
[Most Christian Exegesis uses the same techniques as the Rabbinical Commentators but they do it much less well and with less authority.  What have you gained by rejecting the Oral law?].
In other words in order to make a case you would need something a little more explicit since every verse you quote has another more simple and literal explanation that the one you give it.
A|ccording to the simple meaning the "place" that is promised in the Land of Israel after it has been properly conquered and settled by Israelites who keep the Torah. The House that will be built for David is the one that will come from Solomon.
This does not mean that an additional meaning may not be implied but if so more explicit verses are needed to supplement the additional meaning you wish to claim.






(b) Multitudes Descended from Levi and David and will they all return to the Land of Israel?
 Fred Hendrickson said:
Also, later you cite Jeremiah 33 as fulfilling the return of the Jews (Judah) to their original homeland.  I am wondering how 12+/-million Jews can fulfill Jeremiah 33:24 that declares of David's seed:  "As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured, so will I multiply the seed of David, My servant and the Levites who minister unto me."  Also, as previously related, God's promise to David was his seed would be planted in a homeland of their own--meaning somewhere other than their original homeland.  While I greatly respect your insight regarding the Ten Tribes of Israel, does not the above explain why they will never return to the homeland presently occupied by the Jews?


 Brit-Am Answer:
Your questions indicate that you have not properly read our Brit-Am Commentaries.
You seem to have decided to attribute to us opinions that we do not hold and explanations that we have not said in order to refute what
you attribute to us. This is a common phenomenon. We are not saying that you deliberately misinterpret us but that your zeal to present
your own explanation has lead you to err in describing what we said.
In our Commentary to Jeremiah 33 we said:
http://www.britam.org/Jeremiah33to36.html
Summary:
Ch.33: Everything was revealed to The Prophets. Every good thing prophesied will come to pass. Judah will return and so will Israel. Judah is to prepare the way for Israel. The Levites will always be available to perform sacrifices when the Temple is rebuilt. The seed of David will always rule over at least a portion of Israel.
We then explained the individual verses and where it mentioned the rebuilding of Jerusalem we said that this referred tot he return of Judah.
Concerning Jeremiah 33:22 (in our version of the KJ and not 33:24 as you quote) where it says:
[Jeremiah 33:22] AS THE HOST OF HEAVEN CANNOT BE NUMBERED, NEITHER THE SAND OF THE SEA MEASURED: SO WILL I MULTIPLY THE SEED OF DAVID MY SERVANT, AND THE LEVITES THAT MINISTER UNTO ME.
We said:
David was promised that the Rulership over Israel (or at least part of it) would come from him.

This verse (Jeremiah 33:22) mentions the descendants of David and of the Levites becoming extremely numerous.
It may be that their descendants now number in the millions and that in the Messianic Era they will multiply even more.
At all events their descendants are part of  Judah as well as being found amongst the Lost Tribes of Israel.
Concerning the Lost Tribes of Israel being found in exceedingly great numbers see our Biblical Proofs:
"Immense Multitudes"
http://www.britam.org/Proof/Blessings/blessNumbers.html

You also said:
"does not the above explain why they will never return to the homeland presently occupied by the Jews?"

We disagree. The Lost Ten Tribes will return (or at least a representative portion of them will) and there will be room for them. They will return not only to the present region of Israel but also to the Persian Gulf, part of Iraq, Syria, Turkey, Cyprus, Lebanon, Jordan, Saudia Arabia, and Egypt.
This is what Scripture says, e.g. Ezekiel chapters 37, 47.
It also mentions that there will be an overflowing of population:
http://britam.org/zechariah.html
[Zechariah 10:7] AND THEY OF EPHRAIM SHALL BE LIKE A MIGHTY MAN, AND THEIR HEART SHALL REJOICE AS THROUGH WINE: YEA, THEIR CHILDREN SHALL SEE IT, AND BE GLAD; THEIR HEART SHALL REJOICE IN THE LORD.                     
[Zechariah 10:8] I WILL HISS FOR THEM, AND GATHER THEM; FOR I HAVE REDEEMED THEM: AND THEY SHALL INCREASE AS THEY HAVE INCREASED.                     
[Zechariah 10:9] AND I WILL SOW THEM AMONG THE PEOPLE: AND THEY SHALL REMEMBER ME IN FAR COUNTRIES; AND THEY SHALL LIVE WITH THEIR CHILDREN, AND TURN AGAIN.                     
[Zechariah 10:10] I WILL BRING THEM AGAIN ALSO OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT, AND GATHER THEM OUT OF ASSYRIA; AND I WILL BRING THEM INTO THE LAND OF GILEAD AND LEBANON; AND PLACE SHALL NOT BE FOUND FOR THEM. 
Egypt and Assyria could apply to areas in Europe, as we have explained elsewhere. The exiles of Israel will leave these areas.
Gilead means Syria and Lebanon means Lebanon. These areas will be re-populated by the Lost Ten Tribes represented by ?Ephraim?.




(c) Will the Ten Tribes all return to the Land of Israel or have they ALREADY Received their Inheritance?
Fred Hendrickson said:
I greatly appreciate the Jews as being part of the whole house of Israel that Ezekiel 37:11-28 speaks of.  I admire my brothers. the Jews, and their return to their original Promise Land and the capturing of Jerusalem. Presently, as you know it is about 7,500 square miles which is hardly enough land to accommodate all 12 million Jews, even more of Judah that might not be called Jews, let alone the 1.2+/- Billion Israelites who are Caucasians of Celtic-Saxon/Germanic descent that probably includes a large number of the house of Joseph who according to Genesis 48:16 fulfill this promise of God that says:: ". . . and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth."     Certainly, all of Ephraim and Manasseh cannot return to their original Promise Land as they have no now number in the hundreds of millions as you and Collins point out they are a major presence in the Isles of Britain, America/Canada, and Australia, as well as elsewhere in the earth!!!  Do they not fulfill Nathan's prophecy as they have been planted in an appointed home of their own (in the west)???


Brit-Am Answer:
We agree as to where most of the Lost Ten Tribes are to be found today.
Your question revolves around the issue as to whether the areas that they are now in
are a substitute for the Promised Land of Greater Israel that was originally promised to all the Tribes of Israel?
First of all, they cannot be a substitute.
It was prophesied that they will return and return they will.
The question therefore revolves around the issue as to whether in the Last Days the Lost Ten Tribes as well
as returning will also retain the lands they presently dwell in or not?
You evidently think they will.
For us it is still an open question though a distinct possibility that requires further study.
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4. Yet Another Question on Tea Tephi?
Michelle Bowie  wrote:
Re: 1-Kings 2: Part One
 

Greetings Yair,
I have a question.....
If Brit-Am (British-American??) is named as such for being the dominant places of the lost tribes, why is it that you seem to rubbish the idea that Tea Tephi ( who in most sources of info) married Herremon (one being of Phares line and the other Zerah) and that they are the lineage of the British Royalty occupying the throne? This "theory", if you will, falls in line with scripture better than any other theory out there and where else in the world is there a line of Royalty that has occupied a throne uninterrupted?
Why is it so difficult to accept that point of view?
 
I think also, the biggest obstacle to getting folks to accept the idea of the lost tribes is because most Christians have been brainwashed into believing that only the people of the "land of Israel" are the Israelites. Again, YHWH's divine Hand in hiding His face from us until the time is right. We truly have been lost.
 
Blessings, michelle b.




Brit-Am Reply:
We have answered this question several times over in the past.
We do not actually "rubbish" the story of Tea Tephi.
Rather we do not quote from it and do not rely upon it.
Tea Tephi according to "Identity" Literature was a daughter of King Zedekiah of Judah and therefore a descendant of King David. She was taken to Ireland and  accompanied either by Jeremiah the Prophet or by Baruch ben Neriah the disciple of Jeremiah. In Ireland Tea Tephi married Heremon the son of the King of Ireland.
From their offspring descended Nial of the Nine Hostages and the early kings of Ireland and Scotland.
From these lineages emerge the present-day rulers of Great Britain as well as several of the other monarchical lines in Europe.
So more or less say the popular accounts.

If it was all true, So What?
The line of ancestry in the Bible follows the male line.
In our books especially Ephraim but also in our other works we have shown how descendants of David THROUGH THE MALE LINE may well have given rise to Lines of  Kings in the west.
There are several feasible possibilities for this each one of which is just as romantic and interesting as Tea Tephi and all of which are more probable.
Where did the account of Tea Tephi originate?
Answer: Probably in "British Israelite" imagination.
Some Irish Legends speak of Tea Tephi, a princess from the East accompanied by a wise man named Olam Fadha.
Another account mentions a "Simon Berac". 
This could be Jeremiah or Baruch ben Neriah with the daughter of King Zedekiah.
Or it could be someone else.
Or it could be nobody at all other than the product of poetical imagination.

Brit-Am deals with facts and with the truth as far as we can acquire it. This is the task of Brit-Am.


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5. Our Looming Destiny?
From: peter piper
RE: Brit-Am Now no. 1117

Behold how good and pleasant it is when brothers dwell together in unity
My ancestors in Juran, Scotland, embraced the Christain gospel when it arrived before Muhammed was born.
Embracing in the 1930s the British Israelite idea by some was a continuation of looking for what is deep within us as to our destiny as a family and people.
But real human history has a lot of push and pull factors involved. So with the effective end of North Sea oil the days of boom in Scotland will come to an end and Britain being at the end of the line in terms of oil supply from elsewhere, once again Highlanders will be leaving.
 
It gets worse if you look at USA. The (Roman) empire is now in a state of dynamic collapse and All the Kings Horses and All the Kings Men cannot put it together again and so quite soon the Jewish people and other peoples will begin a reverse flow from the West to the broken down piers of New York to embark on ships going to God knows where.
 
God knows our hearts.
Paul,
 New Zealand.






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