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Brit-Am Now no. 1117
Contents:
1. Question on Possible Judah-Joseph Fiction
2.
Didrik Saemundsson: More on Iceland and Benjamin
3. Jill Johnston : Angus has not changed!
4. Captain Ian McRae : Navigating The Volga
5.
Avraham ben Gad : Ephraim should get busy being Ephraim
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1. Question on Possible Judah-Joseph Fiction
From: ROB SAUTON FLEET
Subject: Dear Mr Davidi

I have a couple of questions and some observations. I'm not sure how to ask these questions without being abrasive, or at least somewhat offensive to someone or other, but here goes, I have noticed an antagonism towards Judah from those who feel they are Joseph concerning certain biblical rights and duties. Do you think this could be an instinctive, inner feeling dating back to the days of Joseph and His brothers?
 
I have also noticed an abandonment of Joseph's tomb by the government of Israel deeming it too costly to defend, and I do realize there was an effort made by religious and a Yeshiva established there at one time, but could this antagonism go both ways?    
 
I was reading in the Daniel section of your site concerning Guardian Angels and their roles in nations. I understood this to imply Michael the Archangel stands guard over Joseph-Ephraim-Menassah,? while God Himself watches over the State of Israel. When peoples from other nation's immigrate to a Brit Am nation, do they also bring representatives of their nations Guardian  Angel , and could this be the cause of a lot of social conflict we see when these peoples try to dominate Joseph and detain/divert Him from his God mandated task ?
 
have you done any more works concerning this subject?
 
And lastly, I perused the Dolmen's section and found it to be very interesting as I had watched a program on Ireland, and they had shown an ancient rock structure in the countryside that to me, looked very much similar to the structures from Jordan. I was blown away by this.
 
Thank you for these excellent articles, and hard work, Bob

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Brit-Am Attempted Answers:
Why  some Ephraimites sometimes seem unnecessarily critical of Judah is for them to answer.
Most are not like that.
The Tomb of Joseph is a problematic point.

[Joshua 24:32] AND THE BONES OF JOSEPH, WHICH THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL BROUGHT UP OUT OF EGYPT, BURIED THEY IN SHECHEM, IN A PARCEL OF GROUND WHICH JACOB BOUGHT OF THE SONS OF HAMOR THE FATHER OF SHECHEM FOR AN HUNDRED PIECES OF SILVER: AND IT BECAME THE INHERITANCE OF THE CHILDREN OF JOSEPH.

NO PART OF THE LAND WHATSOEVER should be given up to anybody especially not to Arabs.  Joseph was indeed buried in Schechem but  to my mind it is doubtful that the building referred to as the Tomb of  Joseph really is that.
The Tomb of Joseph was abandoned in October 2000 to the Arabs by  General Mofaz who was reluctant to use force against them at that point.
http://www.jewishmag.com/67mag/josephtomb/josephtomb.htm

The following extract from an Arutz-7 article sums up what happened:


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Olmert Government Destroys Synagogue Next to Joseph's Tomb
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/123231
by Hana Levi Julian
Extract
But Jewish access to the tomb was blasted away by PLO terrorists in October 2000, a scant few days after the start of the Oslo War.

Israel Border Police officers spent days fending off terrorist attempts to capture and destroy the tomb. Within a week, the government of then-Prime Minister Ehud Barak, currently Israel's Defense Minister, caved in and ordered IDF troops to abandon the site.

Another Joseph was also abandoned that day in 2000: a Druze Border Policeman named Madhat Yusuf (Joseph, in Arabic) was left to bleed to death as soldiers waited for the order to rescue him. Instead of sending in troops to rescue the bleeding soldier, then IDF Chief of Staff Shaul Mofaz negotiated with the PLO for five hours to try and coordinate with the Arabs the evacuation of the Israeli soldier, but by then it was too late. The government later told journalists the talks were necessary in order to avoid the risk of killing PA civilians.

The PA promise to preserve Joseph's Tomb and allow Jewish access was violated within two hours after Yusuf's body was carried away. A flood of PA Arabs entered the compound and razed the synagogue to the ground, burning furniture and holy books as the PA policemen who had vowed to protect the site stood idly by.

Two days later, the dome of the tomb itself was painted "evil eye green" as some people refer to the color, which in Arabic tradition wards off the evil eye. Bulldozers cleared away the remnants of the pogrom that had taken place there, transforming the holy Jewish monument into a Muslim religious site.

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This abandonment had little to do with the figure of Joseph per se.
Some types in Israel would also give up the Western Wall in Jerusalem if they could and Barak (who was Prime Minister at the time and at present is Foreign Minister) once appears to have suggested as much. 
I do not think anti-Joseph feeling has anything to do with it but rather contempt for Biblical values and the Jewish Religion in general.
Other factors include fear of US and world reaction and a misplaced desire to avoid conflict.
Concerning Guardian Angles etc you referred to our article in the Brit-Am Commentary to Daniel.
"Michael: Guardian-Angel of Israel.
Even Most of the Angels Are Against Us!"
http://britam.org/Daniel/daniel10.html
Apart from this article we have not written anything else on the subject.
Concerning relative degrees of Providence etc we cannot answer but incline to feel that anyone in the Land of Israel is closer to the Almighty than otherwise,
A LAND WHICH THE LORD THY GOD CARETH FOR: THE EYES OF THE LORD THY GOD ARE ALWAYS UPON IT, FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR EVEN UNTO THE END OF THE YEAR [Deuteronomy 11:12] .               



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2. Didrik Saemundsson: More on Iceland and Benjamin
Shalom Yair Davidy,
 
 I have a passionate interest in Icelandic history and roots of the Icelanders.
 
I was during the week reading a very long essay from 1960 about it, and then the author meant that the Icelanders were more Irish than Norwegian because the majority have bloodgroup O.
Recent research  on the Y- DNA shows that the majority of the Icelandic men came from the South and West regions of Norway but more of the  woman seems from the British islands but not enough to explain the high % of the O group that is also quite common in Ireland.
 
Nowadays we know that the O trait follows ethnic groups that are small and isolated like the Basques in Spain and the Greenlanders.
It is very high in the ethnic Greenlanders and has been explained as a survival trait for very small and inbreed population.
 
Therefore the O group in the Icelanders is according to my opinion a survival selection of  ethnic groups that are small and isolated. In 1784 we went in number to under 40.000, But if we also look on the fact that the handful of chieftain families that settled down here originally had been breeding with each other for a long time before. Then we start to get the point. We can also add that maybe the tribe of Benjamin had a higher % of O in their tribes than the other tribes of Israel. They got as it stands in the Book of books, the first Holocaust by their brethren and came down to 600 men.
 
That I will point out
 
The haplotypes can be extremely helpful. But then it has to be a haploid that is only known by colourproofed Jewish men.
 
Your sincerely
 
Ingileif


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3. Jill Johnston: Angus has not changed!
Re: Brit-Am Now no. 1116
#1. "How much will it cost the average Ephraimite to live in the land of Israel?"
Kathylou Mcauley made a quick judgement when she made the comment that Angus Wooten in repenting of pagan practices was giving up [the Christian Messiah] as the Messiah. That is the farthest from the truth. There are many websites that one can do reasearch on their own, that go into the history of paganism within Christianity dating back to Constantine. That is what the whole Messianic Movement is all about.....the return to Torah and away from the Greek. Also, anyone who would like to explore any of the beliefs of Angus Wooten can go to http://www.messianicisrael.com/

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Brit-Am Reply: We did not understand the letter by Kathylou to say that Angus had changed his beliefs.
Whatever the case as we mentioned there this is not a matter for the Brit-Am list and nothing to do with us.



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4. Captain Ian McRae: Navigating The Volga

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Hello Yair,

Interesting piece in Brit-Am Now 1110, about the possibility of Odin and the Aesir coming from the Caspian Sea to Scandinavia via the River Volga.

There are some who might think this route is not navigable, but I can tell you that a fairly large ship recently did the voyage in the opposite direction.   The ship is the "Islay", named after a Scottish island, and operated by a company called BUE Marine.  The ship was built in Scotland to work on a contract in Azerbaijan.  The problem was how to get it there.  She went via the Volga, and had only two problems which had to be overcome. First, she was too tall to pass under some bridges, so she had to have the wheelhouse removed and placed on her deck to get under them.  The wheelhouse was replaced at the end of the journey.  Second, she was a little too deep to negotiate some sections, so air filled sponsons were fitted to raise her draught up a little.  That a ship of this size (Working draught 6.8 metres) could get to the Caspian Sea by this route proves that the much smaller boats of Odin would have no difficulty.

The "Islay" is a big powerful ship, and details of her can be seen here:

http://www.buemarine.com/search_result/profile.jsp?id=58&type=21


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I know about this as I was offered command of the ship a couple of years ago, so researched it.   I declined the offer as I didn't really want to work in Azerbaijan.

Her sister ship, the "Jura", also went out to the Caspian Sea from Scotland, but she took a different route, I believe via the Mediterranean and Black Seas, which is another route some of the tribes would have used to reach northern Europe.

Shalom,

Ian

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5. Avraham ben Gad: Ephraim should get busy being Ephraim
Re: Brit-Am Now no. 1116

Shalom all,

I agree with Yair that Judah is Judah and Ephraim is Ephraim. So whatever chasm there is between the two houses, or to whatever degree both houses need to repent, it is not for Ephraim to yammer at Judah for acceptance, or worse to try and convert Judah to Ephraim's own version of idolatry. So Ephraim should get busy being Ephraim and conveying the truth of Ehphraim's identity to other Ephraimites. If one Jew (Yair) wants to stick his neck out for Joseph's sake, so be it. But it is not for Joseph to ask the rest of Judah to fall in line. I trust that there are at least a few out there who understand that.

Abraham Rempel






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