Brit-Am Now 1078

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"Brit-Am Now"-1078
Contents:
1. ROB SAUTON FLEET: Reflections on the Brit-Am Situation
2. David Miller "Ends of the Earth" in Egyptian Terminology
3. Was Adam Celtic ?
4. Question from Someone of Irish Jewish-Identifying Descent
5. Question on the Milesians of Ireland and the Judaic Line of Zerah
6. Tessa: "True Ephraim"?
7.Brian Patmore: "all Israel will have to join together"

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1. ROB SAUTON FLEET: Reflections on the Brit-Am Situation
Dear Yair Davidiy

I would like to say I have come to realize the Brit Am message is probably the most significant message for our time, But believe it carries some burden, especially for those in the States and possibly in Oz as well. This burden being what could be called the Anglo guilt factor that has permeated our society for the past few decades.

In our politically correct society, the Brit Am message could be offensive and used against Brit Am in a negative way, And I believe to some degree it has and will be in the future by enemies.And there are certainly groups out there who exploit A pseudo Brit Am type message in a negative manner.

I also believe the lack of financial support for Brit Am by many of its adherents could be due, at least in part to this as well as the gospel factor, that is, The gospel does not really reconcile itself with Brit Am beliefs, no matter how you dice it, as Biblical proofs do not always convince those who have held certain beliefs for generations. I do realize and understand the Brit Am position regarding religion and related topics, However, It is my opinion, and no offence to anyone intended, Perhaps these points should be considered a priority at present.

I would like to thank you Yair for your dedication, determination, and outstanding representation of both the tribes of Judah, and Joseph as well.

G-d Bless, Bob
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2. David Miller "Ends of the Earth" in Egyptian Terminology

Mr. Davidiy:

I ran across an interesting book on the internet called "Shambhala: The Fascinating Book Behind the Myth of Shangri-La." On page 181 of this book, it gives an illustration of an Egyptian map of the world from around 1200 B.C. The world is divided into nine bows, as you note in one of your Biblical Proofs articles. The ninth bow, which corresponds to the extreme north is called "ends of the earth." The link to this book is
http://books.google.com/books?id=oUIum8H_9qgC&pg=PA180&lpg=PA180&dq=ninth+bow+pliny+egyptians
+britain&source=web&ots=AaCN2gv6x1&
sig=_PWkh-9KoUHEGNTFZ8yY4KGaRJI

Another confirmation that the "ends of the earth" at least to the Egyptians corresponded to modern day northern Germany, parts of Scandinavia and Britain, the very places where the prophets foretold that the tribes of Israel would be located in the last days.

Also, I thought you might be interested to know that Pope Vitalian in 665 A.D. wrote to King Oswy, Anglo-Saxon king of Northumbria, that Isaiah's statement: "Listen, O islands, unto Me, and hearken you people from afar," was a reference to the British isles. (Bede's Ecclesiastical History, Book 3, Chapter 29). Also, Jonathan Edwards, one of the most influential ministers in America in the 18th century wrote in his work entitled "Apocalpytic Writings," that Isaiah's reference to "isles" in Isaiah 42:4 and 49:1-12, was a specific reference to Britain and Ireland. Apocalyptic Writings (1739), Yale Univ., 1977, p. 142.

Jonathan Edwards also believed that the reference in Isaiah 60:9: "Surely the Isles will wait for me, and the ships of Tarshish first, to bring my sons from afar," was a reference to America. "Thoughts on the Revival of Religion," from "The Great Awakening", 1967, pg. 270.

Pope Vitalian and Jonathan Edwards, as far as I know, did not believe that Britain and the United States were descended from the tribes of Israel; however, they recognized that the isles spoken of by Isaiah were a reference to the British Isles and America. Thought you might be interested in this.

Keep up the good work at Brit-Am. God is using you to perform an important work in these last days. God bless.

David Miller
United States
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3. Was Adam Celtic?
Conventionally Y (male-transmitted) Chromosome R1b1c (also known as
Eu18, includes
Basques, Celts, many Germanics, etc) is fairly dominant in the west
of Europe while R1a (also known as Eu19, "Slavs", Indian Brahmans,
etc) is more dominant in the east.

For the opinion that R1 (especially R1b) and/or N (Finns, etc) was
actually the ORIGINAL type for all mankind from
which the others "evolved" see the article:

YDNA Reversed
Were R1 and N The Forefathers?
http://www.britam.org/DNA/YDNAreverse.html
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4. Question from Someone of Irish Jewish-Identifying Descent

Hello Dear Sir,
I hope you get my email, and I am honored if you read it. My question to you is this:
how can I verify if I actually have such a dna connection as your writings suggest may be the case.
My father came from Ireland, last name was Finnegan, and although being raised Irish Catholic, near
the end of his life, he wore a yamulka and put a mazuza(sp?) beside the door.
( Drove my mother nuts-she is originally from the Penn-Dutch/English- the Armentrout/Hawkins.)

So, your writings have fascinated me, and I would like to think I am of the children of Joseph- but my
confidence is lacking. If you can suggest a course to take to investigate, I would greatly appreciate hearing it.

If you get this,....
Thank you for your writings, and for listening, and for your best advice.
Sincerely,
S

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Reply:
You describe a known phenomenon whereby individuals of Irish descent instinctively identify with the Jews even though most Irish people in Ireland (outside of Ulster) appear to be anti-Jewish or at least prefer to distance themselves.
There is no DNA evidence that would be valid in this case.
We cannot assure anyone that they are most certainly of Israelite Descent.
We may only say that given certain factors the probability could be very high.
See:
"Ephraimite Criteria. How Do You Know
You Descend from Israel?"
http://www.britam.org/criteria.html
We can also say that feeling as you do especially in view of the precedent set by your father that in our opinion YOU SHOULD IDENTIFY AS AN ISREALITE!
I know this may not sound like much help but it is a beginning and God willing a path will become clear for all of us.
God bless you
Yair Davidiy
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5. Question on the Milesians of Ireland and the Judaic Line of Zerah

Shalom,

I have read that the Milesians and their ancestor M?l Esp?ine are the descendants of the Zarah-line of the tribe of Judah. Do you have anymore knowledge on this subject?

Thanks in advance.

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Answer:
On the whole this idea appears to be the development of British-Israel
scholarship.
Irish documents do indicate the existence of a tradition that Israelites were amongst their ancestors.
One of the Scottish and Irish ancestors was named Yair and in at least one source he is described as coming from Judah but not from the Zarah-line.
For more details see our work:
"Lost Israelite Identity.
The Hebrew Origin
of Celtic Races"
http://www.britam.org/Identity.html

See also:
"Various Traditions"
http://britam.org/traditions.html
"Clan of Yair"
http://britam.org/traditions9.html
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6. Tessa: "True Ephraim"?
Re: "Brit-Am Now"-1077
http://britam.org/now/1077Now.html
#4. Michelle B.: How could it be only minority?

Shalom Yair
Regarding numbers of Ephraimites - the uncountable numbers promised to Abraham probably include those descended through Ishmael and the other brothers of Isaac through Keturah. But even those who are physically descended through Ephraim are not necessarily true Ephraim since they must be spiritually 'tuned in' as well as physically. Lots of apparent Ephraimites are anti-Jewish and anti-Israel. Even in families where there are full blooded siblings one finds a mixture of those who identify as Ephraim and those who don't. It's a mystery and goes to suggest that genetic inheritance doesn't explain everything (unless anti-semitism is genetic!). The same seems to be true for Judah - individuals in both groups need a heart attitude towards Torah (and each other) which is what identifies them in my opinion.
Blessings - Tessa
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7. Brian Patmore: "all Israel will have to join together"
re "Brit-Am Now"-1077
http://britam.org/now/1077Now.html
# 1. Questions who is Ephraim? Los Angeles... "Lost Anglos"!
Joseph stands next to his brother Judah in the last days, just as the actual brothers did thousands of years ago. The fact that one is more powerful that the other in this era is irrevalent really, they are brothers. Prophecy must be fulfilled also and this union is covered there as well.

Pre-eminence fulfills prophecy but beyond that it is still family and all the children of the twelve brothers must be reconciled to each other and to Our Father in Heaven !!

This is really family and eventually all Israel will have to join together, the sooner the better as far as I and many in Australia are concerned.

We will have to change our ways, all of us, Judah included. Judah has preserved most of the way that Our Father in Heaven has wished us to live and the rest will have to join Judah in this as well.

I do not say that all the "NEW WAYS" (to be introduced by G-d and the Messiah) will be the same as before but Our Father in Heaven will reveal all at the appropriate time and ALL must be ready to accept this when the Messiah of Israel appears. Be sure that G-d has not revealed all to us through the holy prophets (just have a look at the book of Daniel where Daniel is told only to write down certain things as instructed by G-d.)
Brian
Brisbane Australia

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