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3 Elul 5768 3 September 2008
Contents:
1. Question on the Brit-Am
Postion
Concerning
"ethnic cleansing and mass deportations of Palestinians"
2. Muslim Acknowledgment that the Temple Mount is Jewish
3. Question on Alleged Israeli "Atrocities" etc.
1. Question on the Brit-Am
Postion
Concerning
"ethnic cleansing and mass deportations of Palestinians"
Yair
You have called for ethnic cleansing and mass deportations of Palestinians.
Jews weren't exactly in favour of ethnic cleansing when they were on the
receiving end now were they?
How do you reconcile your advocacy of Transfer with ethical considerations?
Brit-Am Answer:
The Arabs want all the Jews out of this region and will kill them
if they can and the impression is that is the way they would prefer it.
Israel is fighting for its existence. Israel has more right to be here than
anybody else whether anybody else likes it or not.
We do not necessarily call for,
"ethnic cleansing and mass deportations of Palestinians."
but rather encouraged emigration which may sound like the same thing
but the emphasis is different.
Jews were indeed on the receiving end many times in their history of
"ethnic cleansing".
For this and for simple humane common sense the Arabs who leave
should be treated well, compensated, and materially assisted in their new
places.
If Jews had have been treated like that by Gentiles we would have had
few complaints now.
Jews in WW2 were MISLEAD to believe that they would be treated like that
by the Germans and WANTED to believe that is how they would be treated.
That is one of the reasons why the Germans found it so easy to control them.
The above is the private position of Yair Davidiy which you criticize.
Many (if not all) critics of Israel however also believe in "ethnic cleansing".
They advocate the "ethnic cleansing" of Jewish settlers from Judah and Samaria
and because "Zionists" (whom you seem to deny being Jews or even people)
are involved they justify it.
2. Muslim Acknowledgment that the Temple
Mount is Jewish
From: Steve Collins <scollins@sio.midco.net>
Shalom Yair,
I assume you saw this, but I'm sending it FYI.
Steve
Subject: Temple Mount is Jewish, states 1925 Supreme Moslem Council
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/127428
Supreme Moslem Council: Temple Mount is Jewish
Israel National News - Sept 1, 2008
The widely-disseminated Arab Moslem position that the Temple Mount is not Jewish
has been debunked - by the Supreme Moslem Council (Waqf) of Jerusalem, in a
Temple Mount guide published in 1925.
Guidebook Puts the Lie to Current Arab Campaign
In 1997, the chief Moslem cleric of the Palestinian Authority, Mufti Ikrama
Sabri, stated, "The claim of the Jews to the right over [Jerusalem] is false,
and we recognize nothing but an entirely Islamic Jerusalem under Islamic
supervision..."
Thus began a campaign to convince the world that the millennia-old natural
association between Jerusalem and Jews was untrue. As Islamic Movement chief
Raed Salah stated in 2006, "We remind, for the 1,000th time, that the entire Al-Aqsa
mosque [on the Temple Mount], including all of its area and alleys above the
ground and under it, is exclusive and absolute Moslem property, and no one else
has any rights to even one grain of earth in it."
However, it is now known that this "absolute" Moslem claim is actually not as
absolute as claimed. In fact, back in 1925, the Supreme Moslem Council - also
known as the Waqf, which has overseen Temple Mount activities on behalf of the
Moslem religion for hundreds of years - boasted proudly that the site was none
other than that of Solomon's Temple.
The Jerusalem-based Temple Institute reports that it has acquired a copy of the
official 1925 Supreme Moslem Council Guide Book to Al-Haram Al-Sharif (the
Moslem name for the Temple Mount). On page 4, the Waqf states, "Its identity
with the site of Solomon's Temple is beyond dispute. This, too, is the spot,
according to universal belief, on which 'David built there an altar unto the
L-rd...', citing the source in 2 Samuel XXIV,25.
In addition, on page 16, the pamphlet makes reference to the underground area in
the south-east corner of the Mount, which is refers to as Solomon's Stables.
"Little is known for certain of the history of the chamber itself," the guide
reads. "It dates probably as far back as the construction of Solomon's Temple.
According to Josephus, it was in existence and was used as a place of refuge by
the Jews at the time of the conquest of Jerusalem by Titus in the year 70 A.D."
The Temple Mount in Jerusalem was in fact the site of the two Jewish Holy
Temples which stood for nearly 1,000 years (see below).
Proof of Moslem Anti-Jewish Revisionism
The Temple Institute's Rabbi Chaim Richman writes that the pamphlet provides
proof that the Waqf's current position is a departure from traditional Muslim
belief. "In recent years," he writes, "the Moslem Waqf has come to deny the
historic existence of the Holy Temple, claiming that the Temple Mount belongs
solely to the Moslem nation, and that there exists no connection between the
Jewish nation and the Temple Mount. It is clear from this pamphlet that the
revised Waqf position strays from traditional Moslem acknowledgment of the
Mount's Jewish antecedents."
"The current denial of historical reality is merely one tool in the war being
waged by Moslems against the G-d of Israel and the entire 'infidel' world,"
Richman declares.
Examples of the new Palestinian/Arab position on Jerusalem:
PA Mufti Sabri was quoted in the Palestinian daily Al-Ayyam on November 22, 1997
as saying, "The 'Al-Buraq' Wall [the Western Wall] is a part of the Al-Aqsa
Mosque. The Jews have no relation to it."
The same newspaper, on July 18, 1997, reported that Hamad Yusef, head of The
Institution for the Rejuvenation of the Palestinian Heritage, referred to the
"false historical claim of the Jews in the holy city, a claim which they were
unable to prove in all of the excavations conducted by foreign groups for the
past hundred years." The paper also stated that Hamad "accused the Israelis of
unprecedented historical forgeries, emphasizing the Palestinian, the Arab and
the Islamic nature of the holy city for the past 6,000 years. Israel fails in
her attempt to find a historical connection to Jerusalem." (courtesy of Jewish
Virtual Library)
Jewish History on the Mount
The Temple Mount in Jerusalem was the site of the two Jewish Holy Temples, the
first of which was built by King Solomon in the year 832 BCE, close to 1,500
years before Islam was founded. It stood for over 400 years, and after the
70-year Babylonian Exile, a Second Temple was built on the same site. Thus, for
nearly 1,000 years, Holy Temples stood on the site, until the Romans conquered
the entire land and destroyed the Second Temple.
Though the area came under the control of the Romans, Byzantines, Moslems,
Christians, Turks, British and others over the intervening centuries, Jerusalem
and the Temple Mount were always the focus of Jewish religious and national
yearnings, and continued to be the Jews' "capital" even while in exile. In the
Six Day War of 1967, the modern State of Israel liberated the Temple Mount area
and all of Jerusalem, placing it under Jewish control once again after a hiatus
of 1,900 years.
Israel, however, never actualized its sovereignty over the holy Temple Mount
site, but rather granted the Waqf nearly total control. Jews, in fact, have not
been allowed to pray there ever since then-Chief IDF Rabbi Shlomo Goren led a
prayer service there on the first Tisha B'Av after the liberation. Jews'
visiting hours are also restricted.
3. Question on Alleged Israeli
"Atrocities" etc.
Reports by left-wing and even right-wing columnists in the west claim
that Israeli soldiers are daily committing atrocities against
Palestinians.
They also say that Israel is illegally disregarding UN resolutions and that
Israel takes no notice of world opinion. Israel is described as a war-mongering nation threatening its neighbors.
What say you?
Brit-Am Answer:
Israel is being victimized and Jews are being persecuted by
Muslims all over the world.
Israel is demonized and misrepresented.
Israeli soldiers do not commit atrocities.
On the contrary they go out of their way not to impede upon the rights of
civilians.
They do this both because in many cases the law and regulations require it and
so do their own values and
upbringing.
Because of this accidents and disasters have occurred and Israelis have been
needlessly killed and injured.
Our kind naturally merciful nature is exploited against us.
Who is in Danger?
Even though we are in the right certain types seem to enjoy to hear us whine
and lament the situation.
It is good from time to time to bring up other possibilities.
Israel may have one hand tied behind its back but that is all.
What will happen in the event of war cannot be predicted
nor can the behavior of a people under threat of destruction.
I personally have lived here since 1974. I also served in the regular army
and after that I did regular military service every year for about a month
for many years. I served in Egypt, Sinai, Judah, Samaria, and Lebanon as did most men in
my age-group.
I DO NOT BELIEVE that the Israelis would deliberately massacre anybody.
I DO BELIEVE that the Arabs would deliberately massacre the Jews if they could
and without hesitating.
In case of war however it is impossible to predict what would happen.
If Israel was threatened with nuclear weapons or their equivalent it might reply
or pre-empt in kind.
What would you do?
Allow your families to be massacred in order not to upset "world opinion".
And what is "world opinion".
Arab money, anti-Semites who call themselves "only" anti-Zionist
and other low lifes whose representatives if you met them in the street would be
loath to give you the time of day
and you yourself would probably prefer to cross the road anyway?
The UN Resolutions have no legal value and even if they did Israel would be
justified in disregarding them.
The Muslims themselves are unpredictable and are just as liable to start
fighting each other in the midst of an attack on Israel and wipe each other out.
Left-wing activisits and other "do-gooders" with sensitive natures should be fair and should not be edging
the Palestinians on:-
if only for their own sakes as much as that of the Jews.
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