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Sceptics Who Lack Substance!
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4 November 2011, 7 Cheshvan 5772
TG Replies and Replies to TG: Sceptics Who Lack Substance!
Re TG on the Warpath! Brit-Am
Refutes a Sceptic!
1. Others Reply to TG.
(a) Dennis McGinlay: TG's conclusions are those of the uninformed.
(b) Bill Rasmussen: TG ... is a master of obfuscation.
2. TG Replies to Yair (writing on behalf of Brit-Am).
3. Yair (Brit-Am) Replies to TG.
1. Others Reply to TG.
(a) Dennis McGinlay: TG's conclusions
are those of the uninformed.
From: "Dennis McGinlay" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
TG's conclusions are those of the uninformed. Uninformed and unsanctioned by
God. Nothing can be discerned or understood without Gos's sanction. TG obviously
has nether. God gives understanding to those who love him and ask for that
wisdom. It is given, not 'worked up'.
(b) Bill Rasmussen: TG ... is a master
Yair, you can tell TG that he is a master of obfuscation. What he could have
said in a sentence or two, instead took him a long essay to make his point. I
still stand by my position that he is intellectually dishonest and may I add
that his comments directed towards you are unwarranted. Just for fun, throw out
to him that my mother was Jewish, not that that means anything, at least by his
standards. He doesn't have a corner on the truth, nor does he does he have a
right to malign people. He needs to take note of the fact that there are many of
us who are loyal to Brit Am and stand shoulder to shoulder with Yair. Attacks on
Brit Am are basically an attack on all of us who believe in the mission of Brit
Am. Amazing that we are still so close to Rosh HaShanah and Yom Kippur where
every Jew should be introspective and repentant, yet TG has started the new year
with vitriol. May HaShem have mercy on his soul. Shalom, Bill
Yair, I would like to add something else regarding TG. I find it simply amazing
that given the fact that Israel is under siege by Hamas, threatened by Iran,
surrounded by a sea of hostile Muslims, having an American President who is
dangerous to the well being of Medinat [State of] Yisrael as well as a rise in
anti-Semitism, and all TG can do is attack you. Doesn't he have anything better
to do? Where are his priorities? Why doesn't he spend his time confronting the
enemies of Israel and the Jewish people rather than try and make enemies of his
Hine mah Tov umah na'iym
sheveth achiym gam ya-chadh
Behold, how good and how pleasant it is
For brethren to dwell together in unity!
2. TG Replies to Yair (writing on behalf
No Yair, I am not on a warpath. Shalom
What I was addressing, and what you evidently didn't comprehend, is the lack of
critical thinking in the evaluation of many arguments and evidence brought into
the "lost tribes" 'research' by yourself.
Yes, I want privacy and control over who has access to my email address, which
most online forums provide, but also the ability to interact with others without
censorship or middle man that is you. I never asked for access to your mailing
You evaded responding to most of my comments, and focused on the irrelevant
consequences of your own making. Ultimately there are mechanisms that guide how
research is supported, and you chose the mechanism you chose because others were
closed to you for various reasons. This is no fault of mine.
Are you saying you know what "the Bible wants!"? You do realise that the
"Bible", i.e. the Torah, is the word of God? So you have appointed yourself the
interpreter of the Torah now? And what God wants is for you to sprout your
ill-formulated and ill-supported hypothesis on the identity of the 'lost
tribes', which of course God never lost :)
Brit-Am, that is you Yair, is not either 'religious' or 'academic'. You quite
simply do not follow the sources of Judaism, nor do you have any academic
credentials, or are supported by any academic institution. As for your
'scholarly associations', please list them, and I will judge for myself their
As for being neither Jewish not Gentile, I truly wish that occasionally you
think before you write. This is a very Jewish subject. The rest are here because
they hope to discover they are "Jewish", i.e. belong to the tribes.
How would you know what I'm talking about. You failed show your understanding by
not addressing anything I wrote except the aspect of your financial support over
which I have no control.
Do you own a dictionary? You should use it before you use words that you don't
know the meaning of. Unless you prefer to slug insults instead of arguments at
those that challenge you. The meaning of a reprobate is
1.a depraved, unprincipled, or wicked person: a drunken reprobate.
2.a person rejected by God and beyond hope of salvation.
Is this your decree for me? What do you base it on? Is criticizing you now
tantamount to keret?
How about providing verifiable and logical arguments and evidence to support
your hypothesis? I can do without the "religious, patriotic, educational,
informational, and positive service" ;)
By the way, do you know what 'religious' means? It seems to me you use the word
too much and too loosely.
... I see something wrong in providing financial support for 'research' that is
insulting of my intelligence.
However, it is your job to be convincing with the 'research' you provide. And,
when you are not, banning the critics is not the best way of dealing with
You are not suppose to provide beliefs, but convincing EVIDENCE. Beliefs are
falsifiable, as I wrote earlier. This, is a major difference between orthodox
Jews and orthodox Christians. We do not believe in God, because we have
evidence, while the Christians are asked to believe in God without any evidence
whats so ever.
Judaism is a debating society. If you are not prepared to debate, you are not
part of Judaism.
What are "Biblical beliefs" and "Biblical agenda"?
Re The Staffordhsire Hoard.
The national language of the Eastern Roman Empire where Christian centres were
located was Greek. The official languages of Rome, the city, were Latin and
Greek. When Rome collapsed, the Latin very quickly became forgotten. The Vugar
from vulgus "the common people". Almost every province had its own version,
which is why the Vulgate translation was such a challenge, and why other
translations were continuously made, until vernacular translations followed.
However, how did a Scythian goldsmith learn to write Latin? And the dating of
the hoard suggests a time when there were scarcely ANY Christians in Northern
Europe, never mind Christian converts from the high Roman society that knew
Latin. Consequently the inescapable conclusion is that the inscription was
written by someone that knew Latin, and the Torah. I can suggest that you read
Only very few people could at that time translate from Lashon Kodesh [The Holy Tongue]to Latin,
indeed the Septuagint, the Greek translation, was in predominant use. The
transmission of the Vulgate was via the monastic copyists, and not sundry
Christian travellers or even bishops. This is because Jerome, a monk, went to EY [Land of Israel]
to do his translation, and not to Rome. The job of the priest and bishops was to
convert the pegans and not to interpret the scriptures as Jerome did in "His
patristic commentaries [which] align closely with Jewish tradition, and he
indulges in allegorical and mystical subtleties" (Wikipedia)
Now you will be interested to know that observant Jewish community had been in
Rome, the city, for hundreds of years, and was in fact quatralingual, using
Lashon Kodesh in liturgy, Aramit in learning, Greek as a trade conversational
and Latin as the official languages. Moreover, several large cities in the Late
Roman Empire proper (Italia) had significant Jewish communities that traded
widely, including in Germania, and including in amulets and charms. Trading
means actually going on trading expeditions to meet the customers. And, the
proportion of learned men (rabbis) in these communities was quite high because
they had to learn due to lack of printed books. So no fiction as you can see.
And, all this is supported by academic research such as ancient Jewish
gravestones that have inscriptions in two or three languages.
The crucifixes were not found in the condition that would suggest their use as
Christian symbols, so forget that they belonged to Christians. They were Saxon
war booty, and probably second hand because few Christians owning such items
ventured so far north in that time (c.7th CE).
Yair, the problem is though that your hypothesis STANDS on 'possibilities' that
are vague in the extreme, and are not supported by existing research, which by
the way you fail to address.
Yair, you are not playing by the rules most of the public expects. No one with
even a modicum of education is going to accept your 'take it or leave it'
beliefs that are unsupported by factual evidence, credible sources and logical
In not too distant future I hope to address your book The Tribes in detail, so I
will leave it here for now. And, it will be done in an open public forum and not
via yourself and the Brit-Am website..
Why do you prefer to use words in your replies that are so antagonistic and
insulting? I had not once insulted anyone or invited conflict. All I want to see
is an open forum where critical discussion can take place. Yes, criticism is
conflicting, but only in the challenging of ideas, not in attacking the
individuals in the way I was attacked? Why do you choose to attack me instead of
addressing the concepts and ideas I present? And, why do you support others in
3. Yair (Brit-Am) Replies to TG:
Brit-Am is guided by the Torah in its wider sense i.e. including all the Tanaach
and in no way contrary to the Sages.
Our interpretations are accurate, they are open, and clarified..
We show the sources, quote the words, give the reasoning.
Concerning the Ten Tribes, Brit-Am has a good track record and is correct.
They who disagree are invited to say why.
You have not done so.
You do not relate to any our evidence.
What, for instance, about our 122 Brit-Am Biblical Proofs?
Do you disagree with them?
If so, why?
If you do not disagree, what are you talking about?
You came to us. We did not go to you.
You claim we are wrong but refrain from specifying where and how.
Is there any Rabbinical Authority that has said our interpretations of Biblical
and/or Rabbinical Sources are not correct?
You will not find any.
What about academic sources concerning our other proofs?
Here you will find some but why are you not adducing them instead of speaking in
We welcome debates and discussion on these matters.
They help us refine and perfect our presentations. They show our weak spots and
emphasize our strong ones.
If here and there we are mistaken we learn about it.
The whole process provides some fire and action for our readership.
Bring it on.
Where is the opposition?
You may have a problem with us but seem unable to properly enunciate it.
You complain about our abrasive replies to you as well as those of our
Your attitude however is insulting. It is condescending without showing
justification for condescension.
You have a problem. We do not.
If you cannot take it, do not dish it out!
You say you are going to write something against our work The Tribes?
So far, we have not seen anything of substance in any of your criticisms of us.
Neither have we seen you relate to one single proof or piece of evidence of
You question our understanding of Judaism?
To me Judaism means the Bible in the light of Rabbinical Explanations.
Maimonides says the same (So does everyone else!).
Do you disagree with Maimonides?
As for being neither Jewish not Gentile,
I truly wish that occasionally you think before you write. This is a very Jewish
subject. The rest are here because they hope to discover they are "Jewish", i.e.
belong to the tribes.
TG you may have hit the nail on the head.
Too many people hear the outlines of our findings and then jump to conclusions.
We are not trying to make people Jewish. Nor are we saying that anyone should
consider themselves to be Jewish.
The Ten Tribes are not Jews. The Ten Tribes together with the Jews comprise the
Tribes of Israel.
We say that very many amongst Western Peoples descend from the Ten Tribes. For
many Individuals amongst them there may be a strong probability that they
descend from the Ten Tribes.
This likelihood however cannot be absolutely certain. Being descended from the
Ten Tribes does not mean that the person is Jewish or obligated by Jewish Law.
It also does not grant any rights or privileges. In the End Times, in the
Messianic Era or the Times leading up to it, things may change. In the meantime
they who are possibly descended from Israel
should their learn the subject, heighten their Biblical Awareness, support the
State of Israel, and draw closer to the Jews.
Our message is primarily in the aggregate: Certain nations have a high
proportion of inhabitants descended from Tribes of Israel who lost knowledge of
These nations have received blessings and capabilities. They also have
obligations. This is what we all need to be more aware of.
This is the message of Brit-Am.
How Does ALL This Tie in with Judaism?
It ties in with the Bible. The Bible is the fount of Judaism. Jewish sources
confirm our understanding of the Bible. In the End Times the Jews will help the
Lost Ten Tribes return.
At present, as afar as we understand, nothing more is required of anyone other
than to recognize the facts of Ten Tribes identification with peoples in the
These facts are presented and explained by Brit-Am.
What is Judaism?
An Article in the Series:
The Ten Tribes and the Jews.
As for the Staffordshire Hoard and your theory concerning the Unknown Rabbi who
Became a Slave and Wrote Latin Inscriptions, we disagree.
This however is irrelevant for us at the moment.
If you really wish to argue, bring up something that really does concern Brit-Am
and not a possibly irrelevant news issue.
Otherwise you are wasting our time and your own.
In fact, TG, it is time for you to put forward something of substance or in
future run the risk of being ignored by our revered selves.
For more concerning TG and his peculiarities see:
The Great Tartan Disputation.
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