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BAMBINO no. 35
11 Sivan 5770, 24 May 2010
1. Useful Article about Edom.
2. New Findings: Philistine Enclave in Northern Syria!
Ashkenaz and Germany.

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1. Useful Article about Edom
Brief History and Final Destiny of Edom
by Lambert Dolphin

2. New Findings: Philistine Enclave in Northern Syria!

'Palestine existed in Syria, Turkey'
11/05/2010 14:20'id=175274

New finds from dig shed light on 11th, 12th century BC dynasty.
The great kingdom of 'Palestine' once existed within Syrian and Turkish boundaries, a University of Tennessee professor claimed in a statement released Tuesday.

Prof. J. P. Dessel, who is a member of the Tell Tayinat archeological digs in Turkey and who presided at the Haifa University Ancient East Research Conference, asserted that the commonwealth had been located between the cities of Aleppo, Hama and Antakya, and the Turkish-Syrian border in the 12th and 11th centuries BCE.
The find is significant because it indicates that the ancient Philistine empire was not limited to the lands of Canaan.

Following the collapse of the Hittite dynasty in the 13th century BCE, smaller states sprung up in areas that had previously been under Hittite rule ' one of which was Palestine. In his lecture, Dessel explained that this had been concluded from newfound evidence unearthed in the Tell Tayinat excavations.

Hittite hieroglyphics were found on the Antakya site, reading 'Palestine.' Similar hieroglyphics were found in Aleppo and Hama.

'This is a significant discovery which shows that the Philistines did not just hold land in Israel, but in Syria as well,' said Haifa University Prof. Gershon Glil, the conference coordinator.

3. Ashkenaz and Germany
"In the Bible, Ashkenaz is Gomer's first son, brother of Riphath and Togarmah (Gen. 10:3, 1 Chronicles 1:6)"

"It is difficult to determine when the term Ashkenaz was first applied to Germany. In the Babylonian Talmud (Yoma 10a) the biblical Gomer, the father of Ashkenaz, is rendered as "Germania," although in its original context the reference is to Germanikia in northwestern Syria (cf. Gen. R. 37:1; TJ, Meg. 1:11, 71b). In addition to this incorrect identification, a possible source of explanation may be in the name Scandza or Scanzia, the designation of Scandinavia in several sources, which was regarded as the cradle of some Germanic tribes. The association of Ashkenaz with Scandza is found as early as the sixth century in the Latin addendum to the chronology of Eusebius. According to another theory, the present connotation derives from the phonic resemblance of "Ashkenaz" to "Saxons" who during the period of Charlemagne constituted the predominant Germanic element in the Frankish kingdom. During the 11th and 12th centuries the province incorporating Mainz and Worms was still known as "Lothar" (Lotharingia; Rashi, Sefer ha-Pardes, 35:1; Tos. to bb 74a). The rabbis of Regensburg were referred to as "Rabbanei Reinus" (i.e., "of the Rhine"; Responsum of Eliezer b. Nathan, in: She'elot u-Teshuvot Maharam mi-Rothenburg (Lemberg, 1860), no. 81). At the same time, however, the term "Ashkenaz" established itself as the accepted Hebrew rendering of Germany. Thus in *Rashi's (1040'1105) commentary on the Talmud, German expressions appear as leshon Ashkenaz (Suk. 17a; Git. 55b; BM 73b). Similarly when Rashi writes: "But in Ashkenaz I saw'" (Ket. 77b) he no doubt meant the communities of Mainz and Worms in which he had dwelt. Thus also it is certain that such terms as Ere Ashkenaz appearing in his commentaries (e.g., ul. 93a) represent Germany. *Eliezer b. Nathan (early 12th century) distinguishes between Zarefatim (French) and Ashkenazim in reference to the crusaders as "a foreign people, a bitter and impetuous nation" (A.M. Habermann (ed.), Gezerot Ashkenaz ve- Zarefat (1946), 72). Letters from Byzantine and Syrian communities written during the First Crusade also refer to the crusaders as "Ashkenazim" (Mann, in: Ha-Tekufah, 23 (1925), 253, 256, 260). http://www.jewishvir...02_0_01462.html

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"The word Ashkenaz first appears in the genealogy in the Tanakh (Genesis 10) as a son of Gomer and grandson of Japheth. It is thought that the name originally applied to the Scythians (Ishkuz), who were called Ashkuza in Assyrian inscriptions, and lake Ascanius and the region Ascania in Anatolia derive their names from this group.
Ashkenaz in later Hebrew tradition became identified with the peoples of Germany, and in particular to the area along the Rhine where the Alamanni tribe once lived (compare the French and Spanish words Allemagne and Alemania, respectively, for Germany).
The autonym was usually Yidn, however."

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